Blue dream, need opinion .

[Cunjo420]

Hello everyone 👋🏻

I got this 2 girls feminized blue dream.
They growing in different pot and in different soil
Sadly one in smaller pot grows way faster than the other. I started using jungle juice grow few days ago.
But what I really need to ask is about all the small leaves. Should I defoliate or not. Like both plants are topped twice and it's getting bushy, so small leaves in middle just make me nervous, should I defoliate for better airflow
Thanks

 

[Bluey]

I'd leave it be for a while and let it go and grow big, really big!

Then I'd remove all the garbage at the bottom, sort of like lollipopping it, and thin it out by removing everything not getting light.

When it's around the transition time I'd remove all branches/stems/stalks that won't produce decent colas and clean the bottom up again and from time to time pluck problem leaves.

 

[ZiroOne]

Does the one growing faster receive more sunshine? Generally the more sunshine a plant receives the faster it grows.

You should not take leaves for two big reasons. You are growing in [HASHTAG="t1"]soil[/HASHTAG] and you are growing outdoor with the #SUN. Plant trainings like removing leaves or cutting the tip of the plant stem and branches can be good strategies for hydroponically grown plants with artificial lights not outdoor with sun and soil. These two methods of growing are completely different and they need different approaches.

We cut off plants grown with artificial light because, according to Inverse Square Law, the shape of the plant matters with artificial light but not with the sun. We are allowed to take leaves of hydroponically grown plants because of high nutrient availability which allow us to remove leaves for better light distribution; leaves are nutrient reservoirs for plants and soils are slow releaser of nutrients.

 

[Cunjo420]

Thanks alot that's what I thought I should do. But since I have like a month of veg left I don't want to stress her or stun her growth. I gotta get 110% in this month that's left.

 

[Cunjo420]

I see , makes sense. But those big fan leaves at top just block all small leaves at the bottom and they can't reach light. Btw one growing faster receives little less light but grows faster. I am like pretty sure because soil is different. They are same strain but one that grows faster has dark green leaves. And smaller one is pale

 

[ZiroOne]

All parts of A plant under the sun receive PAR even though you see them in shade. Far-red which is almost invisible to many of us is penetrative and the sun is FULL of FR. Also the shaded leaves can receive direct sunshine when sun goes around in the sky. Good to know that there is almost no FR in LED lights.

Don't just follow what others do without knowing the reasons behind and knowing if those practices work for you or not. Not all practices are right. I'm still not telling you not to take leaves. What I'm telling you is just the reasons not to take them.

 

[ZiroOne]

Nutrients can be limiting factors of growth. Pale green and slow growth can be signs of low nitrogen availability to the plant. Do foliar feeding of N in a small part of the plant and watch what happens. Plants respond really fast to foliar feeding.

 

[dirtymike]

Edited, let grow a little.

 

[Cunjo420]

Helpful info man, I read something like that while ago ,and sun moves so from different angle it gets sun.But bottom leaves just look so weak and small stems, while everything else is thriving.
I just started feeding jungle juice grow so waiting for results. I'll try also foliar feeding, good idea . Yes I just think that soil is not really for this kind of plant. I guess it's flowering soil .

 

[Cunjo420]

Ye ik man but one on right is short because she is topped few times . I have liken 30,35 days left of veg.

 

[Bluey]

They need transplanting soon. Those pots are way too small for a decent outdoor grow.

In my outdoor grows I sometimes topped but spread out the branches to get light. I'd also leave on as much foliage as I could but removed the bottom ones because of pests and access to the soil around the root zone

As much sun as you can give them once transplanted and recovered

 

[Cunjo420]

Nah pots are actually quite big

 

[Bluey]

What size?

 

[ZiroOne]

All parts of a plant getting light, including FR, will photosynthesize, storing light energy into chemical energy. There are hormones in the plant telling plant where to use chemical energy and grow. The part of a plant getting direct light, more bule, contains more growth hormones. So parts in shade do not grow as much as they photosynthesize. Under the sun, being weak and being in shade do not mean being useless. In the soil, leaves are useful even if they get no light; They are nutrient storage.

 

[ZiroOne]

I guess you have never done foliar feeding. So 1 more thing for foliar feeding. Plants use more or less 3 to 5% of absorbed water for photosynthesis. The rest will be missed in fixing carbon. So concentrations for foliar feeding have to be at least 20-30 times more concentrate than normal irrigation solution and possibly 100 times or even more to be effective.

 

[Cunjo420]

But won't high concentration nutes burn the leaves?

 

[Cunjo420]

White one 70liter. Other one is smaller like 40( when I went to check them today, I actually started agreeing on transplant). I might transplant one in smaller pot since she grows so much it's unbelievable, don't want roots to make knots

 

[dirtymike]

If i were growing Blue Dream outside i would put Her in the biggest pot i could afford or have. Easy one to grow outside. Easy on the nutes till the end.

 

[Cunjo420]

Ye, I know what you saying, but .. big but ... I don't want plants over 150 cm that is reason I planted them late in smaller containers . blue dream can go to 4,5m If not more

 

[ZiroOne]

An example can make it clear. Here is a real one
A big leaf is more or less about 0.5 gram. When its growth rate is max it contains 20mg N and it shows deficiency when it contains 10 mg. So it needs 10mg N when N is deficit. But it holds no more than 2mL of water. 10 mg N per 2mL is a 5g/L solution which is 50 times more concentrate than a normal feeding solution.