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1st time grower's dillemas / topping, training

bobix419

bobix419

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Hi, here are my 3 plants and my first take on the subject :)

They're 6 weeks old. No.1 & no.2 are from seeds of unknown provenience and unknown sex (at least to me).

No.3 is Big Devil Auto XL strain, since few days looking like flowering.

At first I just wanted to let them grow freely, but they're quite slim and still getting taller – especially no.3 auto, it's ca. 60 cm tall now, growing fast and thin.

So I wonder what would be a good, easy way to make them grow more bulky at this stage?

I understand that to start flowering stage for no.1 & no.2 I still need to flip the lighting to 12/12. Wondering, when would be the best moment for that?

Plans for near future:
repotting, not sure when exactly
stronger main light, add another one between the plants

Medium: standard garden soil
N 100 / P 40 / K 155 mg/l
Ca 220 / Mg 220 / S 85 mg/l

Fertilizer: dried banana peels in soil / ground coffee 'tea' used 3x / standard liquid fertilizer from flower shop, for growth stage, used 2x

Temp. ca. 23*C from floor heating, quite humid, no fan, rather low air circulation

Would be great to hear your thoughts, thanks for watching!
 

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Hi @bobix419​ Welcome...I no longer grow in soil but...you have a lot of issues going on. Your plants are tall and thin because of a lack of light or lack of the right kind or spectrum of light. If you use standard garden soil it needs to at least be for tomatoes. Do you have other options? Others can offer some advice on the nutrients. But your plants might be rootbound given the size of the pots and they could be starving. You'll need to watch the plants closely to determine the sex. I know you know that if there's a male that pollenates a female there will be seeds in the females flowers...not good. Look at some of the info about sexing the plants at the link at the GWE link at the top of the page.
 
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Thank you @golfnrl!
I'm going to repot them today and add stronger light.
Unfortunatelly I can't get tomato soil where I live, but I'm going to mix garden soil I got with soil from the outside – the area was famous for agriculture and the soil is good.
 
Good morning from Oregon bobix419 I'm going to be doing bag seed also for a few plants in my outdoor summer grow. Mine will veg indoors in 1gal containers till there strong enough to adjust to outdoors and have long day of sunlight which will happen starting late May or early June. I know my seeds will be indica heavy cause that's primarly what i grow for shorter grow season outdoors, this helps to know cause by Oct. it's cooler shorter days an abit rainy.

Anyway, I'm still undecided wheather i'm flipping to determine sex i may just let them ride out and pull them when i see males. I've dealt enough with revegging photo grows and don't want to slow them down it takes a good 6wks or more to bring them back into vegitation if you want them to grow like trees outdoors. But i treat EACH plant as if she was a she. I top it and train it by doing some LST even outdoors. I sure would consider topping yours at the 4th node this bushes them out a bit. Do consider at least 5gal if not bigger for repot. Do add perilite stones about 30% to you new soil mix. Make it real aireated. Lots of holes if using plastic containers. Don't use alot of barnyard manure only really old stuff. Remember theres bugs in that soil so taking chances bringing outdoor soil indoors.
 
Hi SoOrbudgal thank you for commenting! Topping at the 4th node would mean to cut them almost in half, I'm a bit stressed with doing that tbh. Do you think it's possible to clone the topped parts?
 
I haven't cloned cannabis before but a rule of cloning is not to do it in flower @bobix419.
SoOrbudgal I wouldn't flip until ready to flip. Sex will become apparent soon enough
 
Some photos after updates – new pots, added light sources and reflective foil around.
 

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Hmm i'm not sure of sex yet on your plants. Yes if they were females you could clone them only way to do it is to fix the lights to 12 on 12 off and it takes a couple weeks maybe more to see them either show hairs or tiny little balls. I clone alot so yes those tops could be cloned but i usely take small branches from top middle and lower. I'm not so sure those lights are gonna bring them out to know the sex though. What are those lights?
 
I agree. Taking clones in veg (photos only) is a free insurance policy. If you lose your plant to whatever you get a second chance with her clone.
 
You dont have nearly enough light to grow weed. Thats why their tall and lanky. The plants themselves look healthy, just starving searching for light.
 
SoOrbudgal lights are all LED,
– bottom purple made of 40 red and blue LEDs, marked '30W / 3000 lumen'. Power consumption is actually 10W
– white, marked 'full spectrum, 20W'
– top, marked 'full spectrum, 50W', actually gives orange hue

homegrown that's right, there was not enough light before and after adding new lights I guess it's still to dim.

Bluey thank you, I couldn't tell so I'll take your word for that!

For now I need to focus on adding more light, the problem is I don't have many options for buying grow lights where I live and I'm on a tight budget as well. Pity there's plenty of sunlight during the day, just not ideal place to put the plants outside because of neighbors.
 
There's a few budget brands around that have red hot sales from time to time. I am familiar with spider farmer and they work great. What size tent are you using for flowering them bobix419 ?
 
I could get some fluorescent lamps for free, just standard 'daylight' type, but from what I understand they'd work only for growth phase.

Mollisol I'll propably top the 2 that don't flower yet after I'll fix the light problem, thanks!
 
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