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1st Lemme Say Hi -Then Lets Diagnose: Mid & Lower Leaves Sick (Blotches, Brown Edges)
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alltatup Man am I GLAD that you always go tmy back tat. Really appreciate you taking the time to come check up on me. :bashful:
By the way, I know i'm still far away from being ready. I just kinda wanted an idea of what week of flower you'd say these are by eyeballing them.
Do they look like week 2, week 3, week 4, week 5, etc..? :laugh:
I'm definitely on the slower side of progress, but that doesn't bother me at all. It's my first time growing life, and totally a learning curve.
But having an idea of what week of flower my budlets are representing now would be a great helping factor. Technically I flipped the switch on 3/2/17. So coming up to two months ago, but as you can see, these are certainly not 7 week buds, haha.
By the way, I know i'm still far away from being ready. I just kinda wanted an idea of what week of flower you'd say these are by eyeballing them.
Do they look like week 2, week 3, week 4, week 5, etc..? :laugh:
I'm definitely on the slower side of progress, but that doesn't bother me at all. It's my first time growing life, and totally a learning curve.
But having an idea of what week of flower my budlets are representing now would be a great helping factor. Technically I flipped the switch on 3/2/17. So coming up to two months ago, but as you can see, these are certainly not 7 week buds, haha.
alltatup
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No problem, brother, that's what we're all here for. If you flipped the switch on MARCH 2, you're coming up on 4 weeks flower, not 2 months!! Don't get ahead of yourself there, son!!! They look absolutely lovely!! Beautiful sativas!! I count flowering from when I switch to 12/12 and change the nutes to flower nutes. I believe that no matter what they say about the number of weeks in flowering to expect, we should all still learn how to examine the trichomes to see when they are ready to suit our tastes. You do know what to look for in the trichomes, don't you? If not, see:
http://www.growweedeasy.com/harvest
There is a guide in the middle of the page that SHOWS you what to look for.
http://www.growweedeasy.com/harvest
There is a guide in the middle of the page that SHOWS you what to look for.
GreenArmadillo
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Oh my bad! I lived in the UK for a good portion of my life, so when I say 3/2/17 i'm using the British system, so that makes it the 3rd of February 2017. Should've realized most people here are accustomed to the US system. 
I 100% agree with you on the whole trichome inspection factor. I plan on doing that eventually, and have read Nebulas articles on how to determine when to harvest based on trichomes. Even ordered myself TWO microscopes and a jewelers loupe in anticipation. I have them just waiting to be used.
It's still too soon tho. I still can't see frost developing on the budlets, so I got ways to go yet.
In your experienced eyes, what week of flower do the buds look like right now? Regardless of when I flipped the switch. I just wanna establish a visual reference point, if you get my meaning.
Sorry for being so damned persistent.
PS. I KNOW! I'm so stoked that these are coming out as sativas. Those long, spindly leaves just give it away. Glad you noticed. I've been in love with sativas since my noobie days of smoking many years ago. The trippy high is where it's at!! :wink:
I 100% agree with you on the whole trichome inspection factor. I plan on doing that eventually, and have read Nebulas articles on how to determine when to harvest based on trichomes. Even ordered myself TWO microscopes and a jewelers loupe in anticipation. I have them just waiting to be used.
It's still too soon tho. I still can't see frost developing on the budlets, so I got ways to go yet.
In your experienced eyes, what week of flower do the buds look like right now? Regardless of when I flipped the switch. I just wanna establish a visual reference point, if you get my meaning.
Sorry for being so damned persistent.
PS. I KNOW! I'm so stoked that these are coming out as sativas. Those long, spindly leaves just give it away. Glad you noticed. I've been in love with sativas since my noobie days of smoking many years ago. The trippy high is where it's at!! :wink:
alltatup
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My bad, Armadillo!! I hate to be gringo-centric!! And remember: I'm only on my third grow, so I'm by no means the expert!!!!!!
So if they began to show pistils and such around mid-Feb, that puts you at around 5-6 weeks into flower, right? Since you don't know the strain, it's going to be a big surprise for you and for us!!! Those buds are just beginning to take on some shape, so they certainly have a ways to go, but I can't estimate how much longer you have to go. Perhaps someone else with much more experience growing sativas will hazard a guess.
I'm currently growing sativas for the first time, still in veg phase, and anticipating a very long flower period--at least 15-16 weeks. But I know my strain and I know what to expect. Indeed, the trippy high is da shit!!!!!!!!!!!!
So if they began to show pistils and such around mid-Feb, that puts you at around 5-6 weeks into flower, right? Since you don't know the strain, it's going to be a big surprise for you and for us!!! Those buds are just beginning to take on some shape, so they certainly have a ways to go, but I can't estimate how much longer you have to go. Perhaps someone else with much more experience growing sativas will hazard a guess.
I'm currently growing sativas for the first time, still in veg phase, and anticipating a very long flower period--at least 15-16 weeks. But I know my strain and I know what to expect. Indeed, the trippy high is da shit!!!!!!!!!!!!
GreenArmadillo
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Sounds awesome alltatup . I totally feel you there. We gots some exciting grows on both our hands. =D
That's actually a really interesting fact I wasn't aware of. The fact that you're expecting 15-16 weeks of flower is new information to me. The average number of weeks flowering most people use is 8-10 weeks, so I kinda had that range in mind. But if sativas are known to go up to 15 weeks of flower that really puts my slow progress into perspective. If I have anything ranging from 4-9 weeks of flowering left, then that gives my buds plenty of time to fatten up. That's exciting to know! <3
By the way, I noticed some of my pistils are turning orange now. It's only a small number of them, but the orange pistils are definitely making a presence now.
What does this signify?
I honestly wasn't expecting the colour change until after I started seeing some serious frost build-up.
That's actually a really interesting fact I wasn't aware of. The fact that you're expecting 15-16 weeks of flower is new information to me. The average number of weeks flowering most people use is 8-10 weeks, so I kinda had that range in mind. But if sativas are known to go up to 15 weeks of flower that really puts my slow progress into perspective. If I have anything ranging from 4-9 weeks of flowering left, then that gives my buds plenty of time to fatten up. That's exciting to know! <3
By the way, I noticed some of my pistils are turning orange now. It's only a small number of them, but the orange pistils are definitely making a presence now.
What does this signify?
I honestly wasn't expecting the colour change until after I started seeing some serious frost build-up.
alltatup
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GreenArmadillo, Ace Purple Haze x Malawi is what I'm growing; it's a landrace sativa hybrid with an especially long flowering time, but I believe that it will be worth it. Here's some info:
Type F1 HYBRID
Format Feminized
Sativa / Indica ratio 100 % sativa
THC 15-22 %
CBD Below 1 %
One of our most powerful and better yielding pure sativa haze hybrids!
Structure: Tall and thin sativa, with strong lateral branching.
Bouquet: Exotic aroma of blackberry liquour, red wine, spices, incense and wood, with citric touches. Oily and fermented background.
High: Powerful, deeply lysergic. Premium long lasting pure sativa effect.
Yield: Average - High
Purple Haze x Malawi is far from the average strain one would use to get their daily buzz on. ACE Seeds created something of high value, and crossed old school classic Purple Haze with the African Sativa New Killer Malawi. The landrace genetics of Malawi originate from the Salima region in south-east Africa, and are known for having a very long flowering time. The result of crossing these two strains is a (100%) pure Sativa F1 Haze hybrid, with remarkable features concerning effects and flavours.
It can take up to 13-15 weeks until Purple Haze x Malawi reaches full maturity. What can be seen as a disadvantage from a grower's perspective, is actually one of the reasons why the overall bud quality is way superior to what many strains can produce, including Haze strains. This strain grows into the structure of a tall and thin Sativa, and. The high will be one of the best you’ve ever experienced, very long-lasting, cerebral, and intense. Purple Haze x Malawi is a strain for expert tokers, and novices might need to look elsewhere.
Most growers will fear the challenge of growing a potent Haze hybrid that flowers in 13-15 weeks. Those who don’t will be rewarded on a large scale, not only in terms of yields, but more importantly, in terms of overall bud quality and effects. It’s not easy to weigh off a long flowering time with the quality you get in return.
I especially like the part about "no novice tokers": I hope it kicks my butt.
As for your pistils, I don't think that's abnormal. I really lowered the humidity in my grow room on my last grow, and I think it did increase the trichome production. Nebula talks about that.
See this page:
http://www.growweedeasy.com/make-buds-sparkle-with-more-trichomes#how-to-increase-glitter-on-buds
"With that being said, there are some strains that don't show much glitter even though they are very potent (for example some Sativas and Hazes, Sour Diesel) so if you think glitter is important you have to pick the right strain."
And be patient. And sing to them. ;-}
Type F1 HYBRID
Format Feminized
Sativa / Indica ratio 100 % sativa
THC 15-22 %
CBD Below 1 %
One of our most powerful and better yielding pure sativa haze hybrids!
Structure: Tall and thin sativa, with strong lateral branching.
Bouquet: Exotic aroma of blackberry liquour, red wine, spices, incense and wood, with citric touches. Oily and fermented background.
High: Powerful, deeply lysergic. Premium long lasting pure sativa effect.
Yield: Average - High
Purple Haze x Malawi is far from the average strain one would use to get their daily buzz on. ACE Seeds created something of high value, and crossed old school classic Purple Haze with the African Sativa New Killer Malawi. The landrace genetics of Malawi originate from the Salima region in south-east Africa, and are known for having a very long flowering time. The result of crossing these two strains is a (100%) pure Sativa F1 Haze hybrid, with remarkable features concerning effects and flavours.
It can take up to 13-15 weeks until Purple Haze x Malawi reaches full maturity. What can be seen as a disadvantage from a grower's perspective, is actually one of the reasons why the overall bud quality is way superior to what many strains can produce, including Haze strains. This strain grows into the structure of a tall and thin Sativa, and. The high will be one of the best you’ve ever experienced, very long-lasting, cerebral, and intense. Purple Haze x Malawi is a strain for expert tokers, and novices might need to look elsewhere.
Most growers will fear the challenge of growing a potent Haze hybrid that flowers in 13-15 weeks. Those who don’t will be rewarded on a large scale, not only in terms of yields, but more importantly, in terms of overall bud quality and effects. It’s not easy to weigh off a long flowering time with the quality you get in return.
I especially like the part about "no novice tokers": I hope it kicks my butt.
As for your pistils, I don't think that's abnormal. I really lowered the humidity in my grow room on my last grow, and I think it did increase the trichome production. Nebula talks about that.
See this page:
http://www.growweedeasy.com/make-buds-sparkle-with-more-trichomes#how-to-increase-glitter-on-buds
"With that being said, there are some strains that don't show much glitter even though they are very potent (for example some Sativas and Hazes, Sour Diesel) so if you think glitter is important you have to pick the right strain."
And be patient. And sing to them. ;-}
GreenArmadillo
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Absolutely beautiful information. Rock on girl! <3
GreenArmadillo
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Yooooooo, EMERGENCY! I have some newdiscolourations on the leaves from the past two weeks. At first I was hoping it was just a one-off thing, but now that we're in the second week of these leaf symptoms it's time to once again roll up our sleeves and figure out what's wrong.
These leaves are not from one particular plant, just any leaf that caught my attention as being "off" from any of the girls. Unfortunately, the sick leaves seem to be increasing oh so slowly.
Any input, as always is sincerely appreciated. Let's put our healing hats on guys and gals. <3
From the looks of it, my meager guess is it's possibly phosphorous/manganese/sulfur deficiency? I'm not experienced enough to tell.
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PS. All 4 girls were transplanted to bigger pots over the past two weeks, in stages. All of them were put into some new FFOF soil.
And yeah, there were signs of the start of being rootbound.
These leaves are not from one particular plant, just any leaf that caught my attention as being "off" from any of the girls. Unfortunately, the sick leaves seem to be increasing oh so slowly.
Any input, as always is sincerely appreciated. Let's put our healing hats on guys and gals. <3
From the looks of it, my meager guess is it's possibly phosphorous/manganese/sulfur deficiency? I'm not experienced enough to tell.
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PS. All 4 girls were transplanted to bigger pots over the past two weeks, in stages. All of them were put into some new FFOF soil.
And yeah, there were signs of the start of being rootbound.
GreenArmadillo
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Yeah, all of them have been transplanted now. 3 of them are now in 25 litres (6.6 gallons), and one is in a 15 litre (4 gallons). And all of them were transplanted into some new FFOF. These are the dates of said transplants:
Daphne Transplant: 21/3/17
Esmerelda Transplant: 28/3/17
Brittania Transplant: 31/3/17
Alicia Transplant: 1/4/17
These are my most recent values, from last Saturday ( I calibrated my pH pen using a 4.0 solution before taking measurments):
Mixed a 3.5 gallon batch:
pH[SUB]in[/SUB] = 6.4
EC[SUB]in[/SUB] = 1,388 uS/cm[SUP]2[/SUP] = 1.39 mS/cm[SUP]2[/SUP]
TDS[SUB]in[/SUB] = 640 ppm
This information was taken from my other thread, where I am asking about EC/TDS values and calibrations:
http://forum.growweedeasy.com/forum/...ing-to-tell-me
Daphne Transplant: 21/3/17
Esmerelda Transplant: 28/3/17
Brittania Transplant: 31/3/17
Alicia Transplant: 1/4/17
These are my most recent values, from last Saturday ( I calibrated my pH pen using a 4.0 solution before taking measurments):
Mixed a 3.5 gallon batch:
pH[SUB]in[/SUB] = 6.4
EC[SUB]in[/SUB] = 1,388 uS/cm[SUP]2[/SUP] = 1.39 mS/cm[SUP]2[/SUP]
TDS[SUB]in[/SUB] = 640 ppm
This information was taken from my other thread, where I am asking about EC/TDS values and calibrations:
http://forum.growweedeasy.com/forum/...ing-to-tell-me
alltatup
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Ok, I went back and re-read. So this started BEFORE you re-potted and has continued AFTER you re-potted...? Is that correct? Here's what I found on GWE about root bound plants:
Plant has "overgrown" it's container (become rootbound) - The roots of a rootbound plant have started circling the outside of the container, causing watering and nutrient problems even if you're doing everything right. When this happens, you may need to transplant to a bigger container to stop the plant from being "choked" by the roots.
That's what I orginally thought the problem was, because your leaves were showing such a VARIETY of symptoms that it couldn't be just a deficiency.. Tell me again, please, from what size did you re-pot them? Did you give them significantly more room?
And did you say the soil has nutes in it? You know I'm a hydro grower, but I still try to understand what goes on with soil, because I am an outdoor gardener as well, and I want to understand.
Plant has "overgrown" it's container (become rootbound) - The roots of a rootbound plant have started circling the outside of the container, causing watering and nutrient problems even if you're doing everything right. When this happens, you may need to transplant to a bigger container to stop the plant from being "choked" by the roots.
That's what I orginally thought the problem was, because your leaves were showing such a VARIETY of symptoms that it couldn't be just a deficiency.. Tell me again, please, from what size did you re-pot them? Did you give them significantly more room?
And did you say the soil has nutes in it? You know I'm a hydro grower, but I still try to understand what goes on with soil, because I am an outdoor gardener as well, and I want to understand.
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alltatup
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GreenArmadillo did you get this figured out? You know that you never know what sativas are gonna do, right? Some sativas, as I guess you've already learned, can stretch for quite a while.
GreenArmadillo
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Yeah, it's just like you say. To be honest, i'm not surprised now that I think about it. The chances are very high that i'm growing the seeds of a wild-grown sativa straight from the heart of the Indian motherland. The "weed" I got was very dry and shitty looking, and had been transported via unoptimal means to reach me in my country, but that's all that's available here apart from hash. And daaaamn ,the high was elevating, despite it being very poorly cared for weed. Lucky for me it had so many seeds encrusted within. That's how my growing adventure all began. =)
GreenArmadillo
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Yeah, just as you said. From 12 litres to 25 litres (3 gals to 6.6 gals), except the last one from 12 litres to 15 litres (3 gals to 4 gals) (I ran out of space for another 25 litre pot).
And as you say, the leaf symptoms were pretty mild before the transplant, and became hard to ignore after the transplant. They are still here a few days after the transplant. I can't tell if they have stopped spreading yet. Might need another week or two to be able to assess if there's been any improvement. I really hope there has been improvement.
I potted them into Fresh Fox Ocean Forest. It's very nutrient-dense soil. And yes it was a fresh bag, so the soil was new and full of nutrient.
And as you say, the leaf symptoms were pretty mild before the transplant, and became hard to ignore after the transplant. They are still here a few days after the transplant. I can't tell if they have stopped spreading yet. Might need another week or two to be able to assess if there's been any improvement. I really hope there has been improvement.
I potted them into Fresh Fox Ocean Forest. It's very nutrient-dense soil. And yes it was a fresh bag, so the soil was new and full of nutrient.
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