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Northern NY bud rot

1toke

1toke

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Anyone eles on here in Northern NY grow region 4b have bud rot on outdoor grows this year? I lost 10 plants, a buddy of mine lost 9 and my son lost 3. Worst year ever for me and at 72 yrs old that a lot of years. The only time I ever lost that many was to the cops. It was a wet, humid summer. My vegetable garden sucked so bad I am not even putting one in next year.
 
I'm in CT but I lost about 1/4 of my harvest to BR. Same situation. Heavy rain every other day with dew points in the 70s all summer. Mushrooms growing everywhere but shitty for weed.
 
Here in mid MO the state of misery we had a hot humid wet summer. Started with 6 plants only 2 are hanging in there. Early Riser and Frisian Dew both are fighting it off.. All other got leaf septoria and botrytis it ran rampant. I tried defoliation, air flow, neem oil and copper fungicide, spray every 5-10 days alternating. My conclusion is to find the genetics that can handle/tolerate heat and humidity. Seemso like Frisian dew Early riser are fighters. Last year out of 6 only 2 produced due to same conditions. They were early bird and train wreck both from twenty/20
 
I don’t either but sometimes you have to. Both are considered “safe” and organic. When they start to bloom I stop the spraying.
 
a real shame about the bud rot, especially after all the work put in... My sincere sympathy's. I needed a heat/humidity resistant strain here in south central Missouri, and tried Scrambler Haze & XXX-15. Both did well, but I also had leaf Septoria which Capt Jacks fungicide took care of.
I guerilla grew in Florida for 50 yrs, growing Skunk and had few problems. Personally, I think all the breeding of exotics may have enhanced THC % , but have also opened the door to the problems I read about in theses forums.
I went to Costa Rica a while back and have a friend who grows. They grow Heirloom, using the same seeds they've used for decades. It's hot and humid there yet there was no fungal issues nor other problems I saw. Brought back some of their seed for next season.
 
Allotrope1000 said:
Oldsmoker might be onto something. I would imagine landraces from hot, humid and rainy climates would have developed some natural immunity to botrytis and similar plant pathogens.
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Genetics do matter. I've read more than once that the proliferation of new and more powerful 'strains' comes at the cost of weaking the overall genetics of the plant. What I don't recall reading or seeing is how long that takes. Is it a generation? a 100 years? IDK. It's these kinds of questions/comments that led me to landraces and what all that term entails. I'm interested in improving my grow and harvest quality. To me that means growing a cultivar more than once. Starting with proven stable genetics and a consistent grow environment. That last part is tricky sometimes...just sayin' :cool:

Check out Strain Hunters on youtube. They have some interesting vids.
 
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There are hundreds of heirloom fruits and vegetables you only see in the seed catalogs with unique flavors or visual appeal. Totally unavailable in a grocery store - because big "Farma" can't industrialize the plant (S to H too long, hard to transport, lower yields, etc.).
To some extent, this is happening to cannabis. One commercial cannabis greenhouse in AZ has over 40, yes forty, acres under glass. Commercial growers have to focus on strains that mature, dry and cure uniformly and have bud characteristics (density, sparkle, color, odor) currently in demand. How their seeds genetics are affected in a non-highly controlled environment are of zero concern. Outdoor, home growers will need to pay particular attention to matching
strain genetics to their local climate and pick " boutique" varieties that have evolved to survive in that weather's pathogens.

Remember, like a real high fence can help deer proof a grow; botrytis and WPM resistant strains can save the harvest.
 
Oh, BTW, the "Strain Hunters" videos are pretty neat. Dudes running around in the jungles or high mountain valleys gathering seeds of "new" landrace cannabis strains.
 
Wow this all sounds so familiar to me. I started with bees about12-15 years ago I went thru the whole gambit of bee clubs, mentors and reading what I discovered after going to a couple of seminars and going through about 5 packages of bees in 5-8 years that this wasn’t working so I looked into natural bee keeping …that your best bees that are hardy to mites,disease, environmental stress are the local ones in the wild. While the European honey bee is not indigenous to Northern America they have adapted to their environment over time. While you can go out a buy a package of bees whether it is, Russian,carnolians,Italian, buckfast etc.etc. The best seem to bee the locals or mutts as they are called. Goes back to the evolution of genetics in the local environment you have heat and humidity they have evolved to tolerate that ..same goes in a colder environment the one that re established in cold can handle the better than the ones that tolerate the heat. A package of bees go for 150-200$ so they can get expensive over time if you have to keep replacing them I found out catch the local bees and build on that.. it works have not had to buy bees in years just gotta catch,em. Sorry for the long somewhat off topic But a good analogy..
 
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