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    Just another reason PA is f'd up. My husband takes opioids as prescribed by his primary care giver. He does not abuse them, or give them to anyone else. He has a doctor appointment on Tuesday and last Thursday, his doctor's nurse called to say he would be required to give a urine sample at that appointment. I am shocked they even gave him that warning. His last toke was Thursday morning. He has been drinking cranberry juice and water like crazy and trying to pee it out. We had some testers here and he just tried it and tested positive. Who knows if he'll be clean by Tuesday morning or not.

    This is just so unjust. Cocaine only stays in your system for 4 or 5 days. Marijuana can be up to 30 days. He hates being addicted to opiates. He is using the weed to wean himself off them. If he fails the test, we don't know if they will give him his script or not. You cannot just go cold turkey to get off oxicontin. This is the main reason we decide to grow, so he can get off the oxi.

    I'm just venting. Has anyone else been put in this position? Other than flushing your bladder, is there a way to get it out of your system faster.

    #2
    Wow, that really blows. I wish him good luck.

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      #3
      Thanks, needless to say he is worried sick, feeling like sh*t because he isn't smoking, and trying to space out his remaining oxis much longer than he should in case he can't get his script on Tuesday. I feel so bad for him.

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        #4
        That really sucks Insomiaczzz!😧 Don't have advice on how to clear system...just sending positive vibes your way and hoping this situation hubby is in ends better than it began. 💚
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          #5
          All doctors are preforming this test to protect themselves if weed is found his doctor WILL CUT HIM OFF ALL PAIN MEDS. OR AT WORST STOP SEENING YOUR HUSBAND ALL TOGETHER!. The doctor was not doing any favor by warning you about this pending test. My wife is a 35 year R.N. and the pill abuse has got all doctors afraid of prescribing Opiates. If your husband test dirty his doctor will most likely cut him off all Opiates . I wonder, Did your husbands doctor have a pain contract with your husband?. Some doctors have a standard pain contract they will make the patent sign BEFORE any pain pills are prescribed again to cover their back side. I have level 10 pain myself I no longer take Opiates Cannabis is my choice and most effective for my needs
          Last edited by dontknownuttin; 10-23-2016, 01:29 PM.

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            #6
            Yes, we had to sign contracts months ago, like 10 months, that random testing was a possiblilty. He did not want to sign it, but was really left with no option. We kind of forgot about it. You are right about doctors protecting themselves when the write scripts for opiates. But he has been a patient there for 25 years. And his doctor knows he does not abuse them. It really, really sucks. I know it isn't the doctors fault, it is the states fault. That's why I said PA is so f'd up with their drug laws. Refusing to treat a patient that smokes pot seems to be against the Hippocratic oath.

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              #7
              Originally posted by insomniaczzz View Post
              Yes, we had to sign contracts months ago, like 10 months, that random testing was a possiblilty. He did not want to sign it, but was really left with no option. We kind of forgot about it. You are right about doctors protecting themselves when the write scripts for opiates. But he has been a patient there for 25 years. And his doctor knows he does not abuse them. It really, really sucks. I know it isn't the doctors fault, it is the states fault. That's why I said PA is so f'd up with their drug laws. Refusing to treat a patient that smokes pot seems to be against the Hippocratic oath.
              The doctor is just covering his or her behind nothing personal. If you have to pay a co pay think about missing the appointment entirely!. Could be the doctor was being nice giving advanced warning about the test (saving you money, AND SOME TIME AS WELL) . Weed has replaced all my pain meds entirely!. (along with another 80% of all my other pills as well.) The pill maker is loosing money on me. I see some that get cut off their pills end up in trouble (Heroin/ Fentanyl ) . Please be careful! Opiates are the devil my wife said. I do not even need a Aspirin since I got my medical card.. Indicia has been a GODSEND! If the pee test detects as little as 5NG per milliliter of urine, the doctor will cut you off your pills. I got this info from a 35 year R.N. (my wife), so I believe it is true.(And also I wish to live LOL). Please consider coming clean with your doctor of 25 years. They could help your husband wean off the pills slower and safer. I am sure your doctor does not wish you to suffer.
              Last edited by dontknownuttin; 10-23-2016, 02:17 PM.

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              • kingfish
                kingfish commented
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                Hi, dontknow, If you are using Indica for pain. May I suggest "Purple Kush" It is my default strain and it will put you right. I'm vaping it as we speak.

              • Royal Nugs
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                That's good to hear. I have some purple kush in veg. My wife likes the "pain" strains.

              #8
              Oh brother this is a nasty one.damned if you do and damned if you don't. I have no concrete advise either. I can only suggest rescheduling the Doctor appointment, take the oxi before next appt and hope for the best. yes, this is really a clusterfuck of politic and Drs covering their ass. Out here we have medical people who are seriously over dosing on Ambien and requesting info on indica alternatives. However our Docs are also very ridigd on opiates...including administering to animals.
              hang in there insomniaczzz. Wishing you both well
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                #9
                I told him this. No one dies of a marijuana overdose, as opposed to other typed of drugs. If you have to smoke yourself silly to get through the opiate withdrawal, then you will finally be done with them once and for all. I don't think our doctor would drop him as a patient, just refuse to script the oxicontin.

                My husband has said that starting that was the worse decision of his life. Hydrocodone is one thing. Oxicontin is a whole other ball game.

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                  #10
                  Thanks for all the well wishes everyone. I'll give an update later in the week.

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                    #11
                    Originally posted by insomniaczzz View Post
                    I told him this. No one dies of a marijuana overdose, as opposed to other typed of drugs. If you have to smoke yourself silly to get through the opiate withdrawal, then you will finally be done with them once and for all. I don't think our doctor would drop him as a patient, just refuse to script the oxicontin.

                    My husband has said that starting that was the worse decision of his life. Hydrocodone is one thing. Oxicontin is a whole other ball game.
                    Your doctor will help your husband ease his withdrawal problem. You must first ask. Just dropping those pills without help can be hell! (ON BOTH OF YOU) and your relationship. Good luck!

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                      #12
                      Originally posted by dontknownuttin View Post

                      Your doctor will help your husband ease his withdrawal problem. You must first ask. Just dropping those pills without help can be hell! (ON BOTH OF YOU) and your relationship. Good luck!
                      Yes, we know. He has been on oxi for six years now. It took a year, but he has already weaned himself down from 80's to 60's and is now on 40's. But you are right, it will be a living hell to go cold turkey. The weaning process has been very hard on both of us already. He was so excited to start pot again. It gave him hope that he could do it.

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                        #13
                        Damn! I'm so sorry to hear that insomniac. The only thing I know that works for sure is dilution. Meaning, you drink water until your peeing clear basically. You can get water poisoning if you drink too much so I hate recommending it. Also, they may have protein (creatine) minimums in their testing which would require your husband to retest. It could buy you some time to clear up.

                        Check out this article. Hopefully it inspires you or gives you some ammo...I dunno...

                        By Pat Anson, Editor One of the less publicized provisions in the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s opioid prescribing guidelines is a recommendation that doctors stop urine drug testing of patients for tetrahyrdocannabinol (THC), the psychoactive ingredient that causes the “high” for some marijuana users. The guidelines also discourage doctors from dropping patients if marijuana is detected. Urine drug screens are conducted almost routinely by pain management physicians and other opioid prescribers for a variety of drugs, both legal and illegal. Some doctors use a positive result for THC as an excuse to discharge patients from their practices, even in states where medical marijuana is legal. While the CDC guidelines encourage physicians to conduct urine drug tests before starting opioid therapy and at least annually afterwards, they draw the line at THC. “Clinicians should not test for substances for which results would not affect patient management or for which implications for patient management are unclear. For example, experts noted that there might be uncertainty about the clinical implications of a positive urine drug test for tetrahyrdocannabinol (THC).” the guidelines state. "Clinicians should not dismiss patients from care based on a urine drug test result because this could constitute patient abandonment and could have adverse consequences for patient safety, potentially including the patient obtaining opioids from alternative sources and the clinician missing opportunities to facilitate treatment for substance use disorder." As Pain News Network has reported, “point-of care” (POC) urine drug tests, the kind widely used in doctor’s offices, frequently giving false positive or false negative results for drugs like marijuana, oxycodone and methadone. One study found that 21% of POC tests for marijuana produced a false positive result. The test was also wrong 21% of the time when marijuana is not detected in a urine sample. Not mentioned in the CDC guidelines is evidence that opioid overdose rates declined by nearly 25 percent in states where medical marijuana was legalized. "We applaud the CDC's reasoned approach to the use of urine testing and its drawbacks when used on pain patients," said Ellen Komp, Deputy Director of California NORML. "Considering that opioid overdose deaths are significantly lower in states with medical marijuana programs, we are sorry the agency apparently didn't read the letter Elizabeth Warren recently sent to its chief calling for marijuana legalization as a means of dealing with the problem of opiate overdose." That letter by Sen. Warren encouraged the CDC to adopt the guidelines and its restrictive approach to opioids “as soon as possible,” but also encouraged the agency to further study the impact legalization of medical and recreational marijuana could have on opioid overdose deaths. The annual cost of drug testing in pain management is estimated at $2 billion per year. While POC tests are relatively cheap, more expensive laboratory testing can cost thousands of dollars and is often not covered by insurance.

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                          #14
                          Thanks for the Link - I will read sometime today yet. When googling the whole testing thing, I did see things pop up about why doctors shouldn't test, but I did take time to read any of them. This is not coming from the doctor.....it is coming from state I think.

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                            #15
                            And yes, we know about the water poisoning thing. He is just drinking more than usual, and has added cranberry juice.

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