Question about feminized cannabis seeds

[PhoenixFlower]

I purchased feminized seeds from an online outlet, and the description of the plant was that it had purple leaves. I'm nearly three weeks into flowering and I'm growing four plants. Only one of these plants seems to be producing purple leaves, the rest of the plants don't look as pretty. I selected these seeds to grow because the photograph depicting the plant in flower completely enthralled me, I have never been taken by a plant so beautiful. So I would like to do whatever I can to grow these plants with purple leaves consistently. I do not really care much for the other ones without the purple colour.

If I was to take two clones of the plant with purple leaves and grow them, then follow the guide here on GWE to make feminized seeds using the colloidal silver method, would the seeds it bears produce me plants that are exactly the same as the two female plants I used to make the seeds (purple leaves)? Or would it render seeds that produce plants of the same variety that are growing next to my purple plant right now?

[SoOrbudgal]

This one i just harvested it's called 3 Run Homer if i'd taken a clone from her she would be exactly the same pheno as her mom. At least to best of my knowledge is what a clone is. Now with seed some are not the same even though they came from the same plant. Sometimes it's the cold temps that bring out those hues/colors. I think with breeding it's a crap shoot but i'm no scientist. It may take a few times of inbreeding to create it but i'm not sure?? Hang in there someone on this site will be able to give you better info than me. She is a stunner though.

[PhoenixFlower]

Does anyone know?

[90Gizmo]

I'm a scientist but not a botanist. I'd guess that seeds you make would be about the same, one in four like you got this time. Clones might be better, are you too late to make a clone-mother?

[PhoenixFlower]

I'm a scientist but not a botanist. I'd guess that seeds you make would be about the same, one in four like you got this time. Clones might be better, are you too late to make a clone-mother?

I'm a little over two weeks into flowering, a major branch broke off from my plant the other day. There's bud sites on it, I have it sitting in a cup of water. Could I use that branch?

[90Gizmo]

Well, from what I've read: that branch is in flower so the clone would be in flower too and it would not have time to veg... You can read as well as me on how to force re-veg and what might be the result. Those are pretty plants. If you plant enough seeds couldn't you get a field of them even if you thew out three of every four?

[PhoenixFlower]

Not growing outdoors and I only found out after flipping to flower that the plant was purple.. Tht's a lot of fertilizer and elctricity wasted to just throw some plants out lol

[Blowdout2269]

As of now I'm convinced that a cannabis plant will just do whatever it wants; second gen seed, clone, whatever.
I'm also not quite sure that clones can't express phenotype traits.
Yeah, everyone go ahead and laugh at me, lol.
See my post https://forum.growweedeasy.com/forum...questions-pics

[PhoenixFlower]

As of now I'm convinced that a cannabis plant will just do whatever it wants; second gen seed, clone, whatever.
I'm also not quite sure that clones can't express phenotype traits.
Yeah, everyone go ahead and laugh at me, lol.
See my post https://forum.growweedeasy.com/forum...questions-pics

second gen seed??

[Blowdout2269]

Probably not the proper terminology, lol.
But hey, I'm no breeder...yet.

[Franklin]

It's my understanding that purple leaves are the results of classic mendelian genetics. Do a Google search for Mendel and genetics and Punnet square or talk to somebody who took bio 101 in college. I think often times purple buds can be influenced by environment, especially cold temperatures or nutrient deficiencies, but varieties grown specifically for purple leaves are likely recessive traits. That means that the plant that you have has two recessive genes for purple, or otherwise known as homozygous recessive. The green ones that you have are probably heterozygous, meaning they have a dominant trait for green and a recessive trait for purple. The breeder may not have been making a very stable plant when they decided to sell their seeds. That's pretty tacky, especially if the purple leaves are a selling point for the plant. If I'm right about all of this, then yes if you cloned the purple plant and bred it with itself it would make 100% purple plant seeds. If you bred it with your green plants, it would make 50% purple plant seeds. I think breeding is pretty fun and you should give it a shot, but just know you only need to spray the silver on one branch of the plant to get enough pollen to pollinate your entire other plant. But don't pollen at your entire other plant. Keep the plants separate, take your pollen and a q-tip and just put it on a few buds, that will give you plenty of seeds if the buds are big enough, like 25 or 30. Also know though, that seeds your plant probably won't be exactly the same as the plant you are breeding from unless it's very heavily inbred. And, given the fact that only one of your plants is purple, it's probably not very heavily inbred or stable. So other characteristics may change, such as the speed at which the plant grows, flavor or taste, resistance to insects and disease, and any other characteristic. Just curious, what was the breeder and name of the seed?

[PhoenixFlower]

It's my understanding that purple leaves are the results of classic mendelian genetics. Do a Google search for Mendel and genetics and Punnet square or talk to somebody who took bio 101 in college. I think often times purple buds can be influenced by environment, especially cold temperatures or nutrient deficiencies, but varieties grown specifically for purple leaves are likely recessive traits. That means that the plant that you have has two recessive genes for purple, or otherwise known as homozygous recessive. The green ones that you have are probably heterozygous, meaning they have a dominant trait for green and a recessive trait for purple. The breeder may not have been making a very stable plant when they decided to sell their seeds. That's pretty tacky, especially if the purple leaves are a selling point for the plant. If I'm right about all of this, then yes if you cloned the purple plant and bred it with itself it would make 100% purple plant seeds. If you bred it with your green plants, it would make 50% purple plant seeds. I think breeding is pretty fun and you should give it a shot, but just know you only need to spray the silver on one branch of the plant to get enough pollen to pollinate your entire other plant. But don't pollen at your entire other plant. Keep the plants separate, take your pollen and a q-tip and just put it on a few buds, that will give you plenty of seeds if the buds are big enough, like 25 or 30. Also know though, that seeds your plant probably won't be exactly the same as the plant you are breeding from unless it's very heavily inbred. And, given the fact that only one of your plants is purple, it's probably not very heavily inbred or stable. So other characteristics may change, such as the speed at which the plant grows, flavor or taste, resistance to insects and disease, and any other characteristic. Just curious, what was the breeder and name of the seed?

This is a FANTASTIC reply, thank you so much!!

For what it's worth, the plant is listed as being an IBL, or inbred line. If what you're saying is true, then I would assume it to likely be false like the claim of the plant growing purple leaves.

The name of the breeder I'm not certain of, I bought the seeds from a seed bank called BCBD (Best Cannabis Bud Depot) located over in mainland BC. The name of the plant is something called 'BC Kush' I'll post the link here to where I got it from https://bcbuddepot.com/marijuana-see.../bc-kush-copy/ I'm thinking maybe I shouldn't order from them again? Let me know what you think

[Rwise]

The only issue I would have with 2 clones from the same plant is the seed would be S1s. S1 seed has a greater chance of producing a hermie, I am not saying dont just be aware.
Clones can and do express different traits to their mother. A photo in flower can be cloned, go ahead and set the light to 18/6 so that as they make roots they also go back to veg. I use aloe juice for cloning gel, from my aloe plant.
Good luck and have fun!

[Franklin]

Thanks for the strain info. I don't see anywhere online that BC kush is uniformly purple leaves. Most seeds will have some variability, when inbred lines (think about how children are different than their parents) and rwise is right that clones may show different traits (think about how identical twins have different personalities and growth etc). It's not nature vs nurture, it's nature AND nurture. Random differences on early stages can have long lasting impacts. I think the breeder is probably fine, and that when your green plants bud they may show more purple, and that if you want plants with deep purple leaves you may want to find a different strain that specifically highlights that as a characteristic. Good luck!

[PhoenixFlower]

Thanks for the strain info. I don't see anywhere online that BC kush is uniformly purple leaves. Most seeds will have some variability, when inbred lines (think about how children are different than their parents) and rwise is right that clones may show different traits (think about how identical twins have different personalities and growth etc). It's not nature vs nurture, it's nature AND nurture. Random differences on early stages can have long lasting impacts. I think the breeder is probably fine, and that when your green plants bud they may show more purple, and that if you want plants with deep purple leaves you may want to find a different strain that specifically highlights that as a characteristic. Good luck!

Well it was the picture and the tags that had me thinking it produced purple leaves. It's not a big deal. A little disappointing, but overall not a big deal.

The strain I was seeking to acquire was a strain known as 'tuna can kush' that originated in the 2000's out of western Canada. It was packaged in tuna cans, perhaps you've heard of it? I thought the seeds I purchased was the closest thing to that strain seeing how as everyone just use to call the weed 'kush' back in those days.