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**alltatup** · 12-07-2019, 06:13 AM

Dingus, you are off to a great start!! Man, I wish I could harvest 4 lbs!!!!!!!!

**DingusKhan** · 12-07-2019, 11:54 AM

One of the NL/BB that put out a tiny tap root placed in rooter seems to have fizzled. I stuck it in a cup of soil but I think it's dead. But otherwise, we have 3/5 live births from the Costco Rotisserie Chicken Germination Station, sitting on a heat pad set to 82. I'm keeping the HGK and the auto diesel.

And just to further try to tempt you alltatup and the bourgening masses of GWE to the dark side of Southern Oregon, here's from my back yard last October. The bare skeleton was Purple Hindu Kush with Vanilla Kush still ripening in the background. They and the others were grown in 100 gallon smart bags (about 5 feet diameter by 2 feet high) with Gaia's Gift organic soil from Grant's Pass, (southern) Oregon.

As you can see, I did a version of LST as promoted by Scott, the youtube guy who sounds a little like a rabbi (also a southern Oregonian, despite the accent), staking the main stalk to a cane stuck at 45 degrees away from the sun makes a HUGE, wide bush, wrapped in 4 inch fence for support.

You can have 4 plants, legally, here. But no pressure, or anything.

It's also kinda fun to show the bookends of a 14 month gap. Whoa...

**SoOrbudgal** · 12-08-2019, 12:05 PM

DingusKhan I got a sister she lives in central point but that area has gone way up in land prices and homes. Saw many hemp fields wandering around Medford and other areas during a wino weekend last summer. I just love that area dryer but damn get fire smoke in that bowl in grants pass.

**DingusKhan** · 12-10-2019, 09:18 PM

The grow gher makes imperceptibly slow progress. 3 of our 5 seeds have graduated to sprout status, the Holy Grail Kush, and one each of the Northern Lights/BigBud Ryders and Auto Diesel. One each NL and Auto-Diesel have gone dud. I'm keeping HGK and Auto D. NL/BBR went into the 5 gallon bucket that hosted my very first grow.

Thanks to GWE, that bucket blessed me with about 5 ounces of very sweet, sticky Dairy Queen (TGA seeds) that even impressed some old stoner friends. It has also blessed me with 3 or 4 other harvests since then. It is a very good bucket.

But after my first few grows, I wanted bigger plants that wanted a bigger reservoir, and have switched to Sterilite stackable bins. Even though they're from Walmart, I like that the lids fit on the big AND medium (half height) bins, which are perfect for bubble-cloning (my preferred method) and seedlings, are black (lightproof) and pretty sturdy. You can also have several different versions of lids with holes cut for grow cups, cloning collars, etc.

Since I believe NinjaBear can handle it if I set her up with an Auto and a Photoperiod, I dropped a couple OG Kush seeds that will go in soil. They have been soaked for 24 hours until they sank, and a day and half in wet paper towel in a sushi dipping dish in the Costco Rotisserie Chicken Humidity Tray on a heating pad. When they FINALLY put forth a rootlet, after about 48 hours, I placed them in Bio Rooters (equivalent to Rapid Rooter).

When they poke out the top they will go into Happy Frog with additional perlite and coco, about 10% each, in a clear vietnamese soup to-go cup until roots are visible, then into a 3 gallon bag or Ocean Forest or a local organic live soil, if I can find a small amount of it in December. NinjaBear and I will raise one each, take cuttings later, and LST into something really cool to flower out.

It is such a pleasure to be growing again, sharing with all you fine GWE growers and jokers.

Peace

**DingusKhan** · 12-11-2019, 11:50 PM

Day 5: Yay! we have roots! Also OGK seeds were placed in BioRooters this morning, and the seed heads are just about to break surface. You can see the one on the left has already shed her seed husk, the other is still helmeted, and will break out by morning.

Rx Solutions: These are the nutrients I've been using for the early part. The Farm Store carried the brand for a while, but then cleared it out, when I bought the last of it. I've never tried GH's trio, I'm guessing this is pretty much equivalent. It's grown me some really nice buds. I've since switched to MegaCrop, but I wanna try this stuff again before I give it to my friend with her little plant.

By the way, you heard that right. I buy most of my grow supplies from the local farm store. They intentionally carry stuff for pot growers. Oregon RULES.

**DingusKhan** · 12-11-2019, 11:56 PM

The sprouts in this tub have not been getting top feed. I meant to put a schnorkel in there, but I've been alternating between too busy and too stoned to get around to it.

The water is about an inch below the bottom of the cup, and there's a single 6 inch bubble stone going on in there. It's just enough to keep the clay balls moist underneath, and the top of the rooter slightly damp to the touch.

I know it's been about a year, so my gut feeling might be out of calibration. But this seems just about as fast as previous grows that did get top feed.

Any thoughts about top feed?

**Farmall** · 12-12-2019, 07:27 AM

DingusKhan regarding top feed. I used it from start to finish on my very first grow not knowing WTF I might be doing. Several comments about not needing the top feed after the first few weeks but the first impression of a video I saw stuck with me. The feed ran 15 minutes every hour from a separate reservoir and that grow was spectacular. If I were to go with hydro again, I would absolutely do it the same way.

Ive posted this link several times but I really worked for me and it stimulated the mad scientist in me so it was even better😉

https://youtu.be/_1Eg-XesZGU

**DingusKhan** · 12-17-2019, 01:01 AM

The veg closet has gotten rather crowded, special thanks to JDU sharing some killer clones and a seedling. SoOrbudgal one of these mangoes and some DD seeds are for you!

My first noot feeding was mixed "light", but Holy Grail Kush still getting a little nutrient burn nonetheless. I read she was hungry for heavy feeding, maybe not this early out the gate. THE CLAW DECIDES. So today I dumped out about a quarter of the tote and replaced it with water.

On the other hand, Auto Diesel looks a little yellow-blotchy inspite of enjoying the light nutrient mix that seemed to burn HGK. She is doing well, and just to see if it stepped it up, I added a schnorkel after all.

At 5 days old, I'm still blown away at how tiny the soil cup seedlings of OG Kush are growing very slow, still tiny.

One of these mango clones is going into the flower tent pretty soon, I can feel it!

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**DingusKhan** · 12-20-2019, 12:34 AM

So the (actual) grow gher (flower tent, 2x4) is lit. I need to put the fan in the sprout closet back in to extract some of the hot air that 315CMH is venting into the room. It's staying just under 80F in the tent with 30% humidity. I left the lights on for 24 hours for their first day after transplantation and going under their new light.

They went into a 2x4x5ft tent with a 4 inch inline poked into the vent sock on top, extracting hot air from the top and blowing out through and elbow pointed at the ballast sitting top of the tent, keeping it much cooler than normal.

JDU Mango clones are so big and vigorous, they really are about ready to put into flower. AND I have to get them out before these Holy Grail Kush need the tent, as well as some other clones by then. There's about 22 inches between the light and the top of the plants. The tent is short enough that when my last grow got tall, I took the yoyos off, and hung the angle hangers directly over the top middle tent rail, so it's really as close as it can physically get without damaging the tent.

BigBud is a young seedling, just planted in 3gal of Royal Gold Basement Mix. I might veg her for a while, maybe a single, big.assed.tent.filler. Push the limits of a 2x4.

The one on the left is in happy frog, the other is in Royal Gold Basement Mix, which is what they had at the little grow shop off I-5 in South Eugene. It's a coco based, soiless, compost mix something something... It's supposed to drain nicely like coco, won't need fed for a couple months, then MegaCrop .

The DWC sisters are doing unevenly. Holy Grail Kush has taken off and has lots of roots. Auto Diesel has stalled, gotten blotchy, suddenly looks nutrient burned AND deficient, I'm going to replace her noots tonight, with no more schnorkel. HGK has done so well without one, I am beginning to doubt the value of top feed.

Thanks again for all who've been stopping by.

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**JDU** · 12-20-2019, 01:08 AM

Lookin good!! They should explode in those big pots They could grow awhile if you have the room, I took them on 10/17 & they had a good 3wk setback. Well I hope they make you as happy as they did me while growing them & as stoned as their momma just got me!!!

**DingusKhan** · 12-21-2019, 05:29 PM

Regarding defoliating, training, and clone selection.

Those have read "Ghengis Khan and the Making of the Modern World" by Jack Weatherford may know Ghengis was far more than a barbarian. In conquering and ruling an empire that stretched from China to Ukraine, he linked them with the world's first "pony express". Scholars, artists and merchants were transferred from one end to the other in both directions, combining Chinese chemistry with Arabic architecture. Korean paper made literature cheaply portable which helped lead to universally literacy. He embraced and imposed religious tolerance, gender equality (not perfect, or even good by modern standards, but far better than the status quo) , or the idea that being "royal" vs. "common" was not defined by blood. We can thank him for both spaghetti and the black plague.

Here is a more amusing Youtube rendition of Mongol history: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqcVro-3f4I

So here is my approach to early veg "defoliating" and pruning. It does not mean barbaric hacking and pruning and stripping. It is meant to seek balance in maximizing the growth of buds, not just big leafy plants. This is the time to train the plant's branches and their suckers into the canopy from which an open arrangement of colas can emerge to fill the space under the grow light with fat, sticky buds that have room to breathe. I also selective cut away tiny branchlings that I don't want, and let the plant focus her energy on growing nodes and leaves where I do want them to capture abundant light to power for growth.

Some suckers that would otherwise be pruned might make good clones, they will be left to grow out until immediately before before flowering. I plan on cutting some clones for the upcoming Clone Along, and if any of those make it, will go in solo cups for the upcoming Duel.

I start by taking off bigger fan leaves that are at the base of suckers IF that sucker has mature, fully open, happy leaves. I especially take older leaves that have had evidence of growth problems, like Calcium deficiency blotches once I'm on track of fixing the problem, and newer growth leavesare not still showing the same problem. This particular young plant didn't have any big old leaves, it's still a fairly new clone from JDU . Hey brother, how along ago did you cut these clones? We're meeting SoOrbudgal here in a little bit to deliver her clone and seeds, and hopefully one of my seedlings, if she believes she can help. But there weren't many big leaves to start with.

I also cut off some of the little branches if they are growing out in a direction that will not be conducive to making a fat bud, or will crowd out the colas that will grow fat, especially tiny suckers low down near the stem that will only grow out a little popcorn bud.

Topping and manifolding or quadlining are versions of this. I like to clone the top of the seedling when I do cut it off. These clones are already big and vigourous because they were quite generously cut. The left one is the end of a nice branch with 2 nice branches already growing from it. The one on the left is a topped branch with 6 smaller branches coming from it. They were probably close to 10 inches long when cut with 3 or 4 planted into the yogurt cup of soil. The bigger one was just becoming root bound when I transplanted it. The smaller one was in a 4 inch cup probably 8 inches with 2 inches in the cup, not quite as heavily rooted, I assume she was started a few weeks behind.

Here is the branch end, cleaned up a little bit and trained to spread the branches out. I will let her grow out a bit more before flipping.

Thanks again for the wisdom and the genetics I've received and have the opportunity to share with all you master growers.

**SoOrbudgal** · 12-22-2019, 11:35 AM

Well fellas i'm pretty happy with the clone she's being repotted today into her big home 3gal. only do to space with the bloom tent. OGkush baby(im giving her? some extra love today) Dingus i'm wondering is that soil hot for seedling? I'm thinking about repotting? My now 4 auto sprouts will be next up after photos finish 3wks or less. This is really going to challenge me and i'm all in for it. 4 autos in 3gal. cont. , 3 photos in 3 gal. pots.

I have that spare 3x3 tent I've set it up for veg only so that's where there going to hang out till my 12/12 gals are nearly done. Here's the kicker...i'm going to switch light time back to 18/6 in 2wks. I do not think this will affect the bud/plant quality at all....please feel free with opinions-thoughts? Autos will be 2wks from sprout move them into 4x4 around edges of tent, then put them old clones in there after I've harvested the photos. One photo leaves another is placed in it's space. And see if I can pull this off. Happy restful weekend to all DingusKhan Thank you for the defoil tutorial of yours. I go clone crazy at times, i'll be going there again in a few months. Will be more than happy to share with you and JDU again or those others that live in Oregon.

**SoOrbudgal** · 12-22-2019, 01:57 PM

DingusKhan the roots were tightly wrapped around the container but I watered it first then transferred it to it's new home in a 3gal. pot. She needed it bad LOL. No worries about OG and that one needs to be sexed so i'm stick her into a 1gal. today she's going out to the porch tent with Mango. All is good. I will send some pics via my phone message thingy as I want to show you the buds on the 3 flowering in the tent.

**Farmall** · 12-22-2019, 07:05 PM

This reminds me of the movie “ The Parent Trap” from 1961.... The kids get split up as babies.....

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