Growing a crop by reading the plants and not a schedule! - Rodelization

[Weed Pharma]

And 12 hours later she was fine:
This morning's pic shows a new growth.

I did notice a few leaves turned down- Only on the side where the addional fan blew directly at her.
I moved the fan to the lower portion of the fabric pot - to increase the wet/dry cycling until she gets bigger.

Most of the problems were operator error , in transplanting too soon, but she is looking good @ 3 nodes in an environment of 73f and 30%rh - Optic1xl @26.5".

She has already been fed for the anticipated growth spurt once node #3 forms- I will be topping @ the 5th node.

[oldjarhead100]

looking great weed Pharma

[Weed Pharma]

Jack has come alive and filled the 3 gallon container in just a few days- Full-on watering going forward.
The CoB lights makes the plant look pale.

Topped at the 5th node and removed the lowest branched bud site. This creates a total of 8-10 cola's.
Plant color looks much better under normal lights, but the leaves look a little too full of water-

There is a growth spurt after topping which we will want to feed with grow @ next watering along with the addition of more K (for the rest of the grow)

And now, leave the plant unmolested until it's time to LST the canopy even.


"Schedules? We don't need no stinkin' schedules!"

[Colombo]

It's amazing how nature heals itself ! They look real sweet! Whats nice about growing, It never gets old!

[Weed Pharma]

It's really tough sometimes to not "help" them along, lol

[Colombo]

Completely Understood ! So much at stake. You get attached real quick !!

[Weed Pharma]

Drinking well
She's more green than I like to see- dark, at least it's not glossy.

I watered omitting Cal/Mag and did not add the "grow nutrient" for anticipated spurt you see after topping.
I also reduced K- as I tested my water pH @ 5.8 from tap and adding K has been bringing it over pH 7.
I prefer water going "in" to be pH of 6.0-6.2

"Schedules? We don't need no stinkin' schedules!"

[Colombo]

I would take that color any day, shows she is feeding real nice! The leaves are full with water, she's loving it. You go girl ! Good Growing !!

[Weed Pharma]

Growing well-the leaves are blocking the entire canopy and I have decided to tuck the fans under the bud branches.
Pics shows a light green, but the plant is dark and starting to get a little glossy.


Very low stress technique and I'm not certain it does anything as the bud branches would works it's way through anyways, as full spectrum lights have green- which contibutes to better light penetration.

"Schedules? We don't need no stinkin' schedules!"

[oldjarhead100]

WP whats the glossy leafs mean ?

[Weed Pharma]

oldjarhead100, It's one of the first signs of excess N (primary) or due to phosphorous lockout. (locking out Mag,Zinc, Iron etc)
As long as growth continues you can ride the edge, but I prefer to fade the green into flower.
N is absorded across most pH- but phosphorous lock out indicates a pH at extremes ( <6 or>7).(usually acidic)
I will stop nutrients at that point and check pH.

[Weed Pharma]

All the bud branches are above the fan leaves which are plentiful:
The stretch is/will be here soon. I like to leave the plant alone during the stretch.

Removed fan leaves (only) from the lowest 2 nodes.


"Schedules? We don't need no stinkin' schedules!"

[Weed Pharma]

70f-79f and 21%rh-31%rh, with two circulation fans on low- just moving the leaves- exhaust on low (about 100cfm). 20/4 schedule.

The pic shows 3 distict color ranges for this plant- dark green lower fans- normal green in the middle fans and light green/yellowing of the top canopy bud branches.
It's common for plants to have new growth be very light green, but it usually goes away in 24hrs- this is not the case.

I recently moved the fan leaves aside to get the bud sites going which might have been too much.
I recently placed the plant in the overlap space- new light and even though I carefully measure that space, I have no reference points for what works..
The plant is drinking more water at each feeding- every other day.

With all the above in consideration, this is what I'll try.

To the usual water/nutes- I resumed the K but not the single grow dose for the stretch.
The top may be from nutrient deficiency - I gave a full dose of Micronutrients to provide Zinc, Iron etc and some N.

I returned the plant to the overflap area, but 1 1/2" futher away from the CoB.
Stuck a skewer in the soil- to readily see if it's growing.

I resisted the temptation to defoliate, as it may need some nutrients from the lower leaves and those leaves are my barometer during the flower phase!


"Schedules? We don't need no stinkin' schedules!"

[Weed Pharma]

The plant already began looking better about 5 hours later.
The next morning- pretty dramatic recovery!

[Heatwave]

Whew Pharma...that is indeed a remarkable recovery....please tell me what K is..?

[Weed Pharma]

K is potassium in N-P-K

[Heatwave]

I am confused...and still dont know what the solution to my slight yellowing of new growth might be, so at the risk of being boring, here is a list of the nutrients that i am feeding the ladies

Nutrient A Contains:

Nitrogen N 66g/kg

Phosphorus P 45g/kg

Potassium K 239g/kg

Magnesium Mg 45g/kg

Sulphur S 71g/kg

Trace Elements:

Iron Fe 1700 mg/kg

Manganese Mn 400mg/kg

Boron B 500mg/kg

Zinc Zn 200mg/kg

Molybdenum Mo 50mg/kg

Copper (Cu) 30mg/kg

Nutrient B Contains:

Nitrogen N 155g/kg

Calcium Ca 190g/kg

I am feeding a mixture of these two nutrients

Am i missing something...and what would you suggest I add, to induce the recovery that you had on your yellowing new growth in the pics you posted

[Weed Pharma]

Follow the above here: https://forum.growweedeasy.com/forum...owing-slightly

[Weed Pharma]

She is not looking good- underwatered/underfed/soil too hot/Cob too much/Root issues and bugs? or is it just Pot Puberty?

Decided to defoliate and add stickie traps for bugs, as one other plant had one today.
Fed as the last time-plus grow.
I'm concerned, no signs of flowering.

[Weed Pharma]

It bounced back- that eliminates above possibilities except- UNDERWATERING !
(or Cannabis Puberty, Mr.furley ) https://forum.growweedeasy.com/forum...-45-and-auto-s
No bugs on the sticky-all plants in tent.

Stop rapidstart and start watering daily or day and 1/2- watching for pistils- give it some more time before trying to trigger flowering.


"Schedules? We don't need no stinkin' schedules!"

[Mr.furley]

Weed Pharma
Got one that start it's second week of flowering (photoperiod) with lower Leaf spots and overall droopy, slow growth. Last night it was water only night so I check the out PH (5.5), against the in Ph (6.5) last water only I had found the low exit number so it wasn't a big surprise. Needless to say she got 2gal of 6.5 followed by 3 more gallons of 6.8 for a finish exiting PH of 6.0. I will feed at a high Ph number and extra water then normal next feeding to try and stabilize the root zone around 6.2 giving the plant a chance to find calmag again.

All the sighs on the leaf looked like magnesium deficiency or potassium excess which can be one in the same, but the leading cause was lockout due to PH problems. This plant did not get a proper flush before the flowering switch which has seemed to control the ups and downs in the switch to flowering.
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Cannabis puberty got me again! This is Great read as always Weed Pharma and a very important subject that does not get covered enough.

[Weed Pharma]

Yup, Cannabis Puberty is a thing- and someday we will learn the proper terminology/reason for it-
Until then, we continue with hillbilly horticulture, lol

Thank you- I try to bring various examples to the forum.

[DingusKhan]

I think Cannabis Puberty is perfect. You intuitively know what it means, it makes you appreciate why you are calling it that, and it's fun to say.

[Weed Pharma]

Same old Sativa- different day!
At this point she is drinking daily and not making it.
So, I defoliated more trying to reduce her requirements-
No pistils and no balls; yet the auto's germinated 1 week later, are all in flower.

Before defoliation.

All trimmed up.

If I had room in a tent- I would transplant her into a 5 gallon pot.
And we wait!


"Schedules? We don't need no stinkin' schedules!"

[oldjarhead100]

isn't that a 10 gallon pot why would you go to 5

[Weed Pharma]

Yes, reducing size would be counter productive -
It is a 3 gallon fabric pot.

[oldjarhead100]

wow my 3 gal pots look way smaller than that , now it makes since lol

[Weed Pharma]

Well that worked fine as she is back to every other day watering and looking good- a little "taco" leaf action- still no signs of flower.
current feeding is Si 1.5ml-Cal/Mag 3mls, Trinity 3mls, Potassium 1ml and I added molasses 2ml- which may be beneficial during the beginning of flower.

On a side note- I noticed a very small number of gnats (4) on the sticky- so moved her to the small tent under the Mars Reflector48.
Not worth treating, but if she stretches- the small tent won't hold her, so I want everything clear before returning her.

It's interesting that the 3 other plants in the larger tent have no gnats-but seem healthier.
I sprinkled BTi on the surface and used a 500ml root drench of spinosad.






"Schedules? We don't need no stinkin' schedules!"

[Weed Pharma]

No transplant- simple defoliation so the plant reduces demand on the watering by having fewer leaves to feed.
I'll take a look at the auto contest.

[Weed Pharma]

oldjarhead100, I would do the following to the plant which is droppy-corner plant?
1) more oxygen to the roots by pulling soil away from the stem to the containers edge.
2) add some type of mycorrhizae to the soil.
3) add some sugar- like molasses for 2 weeks.
4)defoliate as it doesn't need to support all those leaves.
5) let her dry out, then water only until the leaves start to fade in color a bit.

[oldjarhead100]

Good Ideas thanks

[Weed Pharma]

Time to return her to the larger tent-no further signs of bugs-every other day watering (a little droopy. OK) - still growing well-



This auto refuses to mature- long past the point you would expect.

Having never encountered this:
I researched a number of ways to assist flowering- but bottom line, 12/12-bloom nutes etc. doesn't change the triggering of flowers for auto's.

I can wait - she will have to grow up someday!


"Schedules? We don't need no stinkin' schedules!"

[oldjarhead100]

I had some jack herrer autos I planted and one of them never went into bloom so I moved it to bloom room yup it was a photo

[Weed Pharma]

furrysparkle, the seed is from one of my past grows- auto female Jack Herer @ Greenhouse seeds. (journal #2)

While I know there is a slight chance of getting a male, I don't know if self-polination can breed out the ruderalis (20%).

https://en.seedfinder.eu/strain-info/Auto_Jack_Herer/Green_House_Seeds/

I should have paid better attention to Mendel's genetics in school, lol

[Weed Pharma]

oldjarhead100, I'm tempted to place her on a window sill- as we still have 12hrs darkness for about 6 more weeks!