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**Redwasp** · 10-08-2018, 11:44 AM

If they are photos and they are still alive there is no such thing as to late until flowering. Even tben you can probably save the plant and get something.

**Mr.furley** · 10-08-2018, 12:01 PM

Got anymore pictures in natural light as to how it's looking?

**terrafirma00042** · 10-08-2018, 03:47 PM

Crappy picture of a sad situation. I think my container is too small because I can water to run off and it's dry within a very small time. That would lead me to over water because I checked on it 1000000000 and found the top dry every time. Then after getting this advice here I probably let it get too dry. Also just noticed gold flakes in this seed starter mix. Second chance in germ stage is a Jack Herer gift so I need to get it right.

Two 60w 2700 CFL. Steady 75F to 80F with around 45-60% humidity.

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**Redwasp** · 10-08-2018, 05:34 PM

Never saw if you got the seedling pictures you wanted. These are healthy and were planted in rapid rooter on 10/4. However the 2 on the right were not close enough to the light at first. (That light was always the perfect distance for all previous grows so maybe I need to replace the t5 bulb?) But those 2 on the right are too leggy they shouldn't be that tall. They were stretching to get to the light but they are healthy. The one on the left popped her head out today. The other 2 yesterday.

As you can see they are still in rapid rooters. They are fairly small as you can see from the upside down solo cups they are in. So no your pot is no where near to small. I water them with 12ml of water at bedtime. 6ml of water first thing in the morning and 3ml middle day. Depending on the environment you may need a little more or a little less water.

I plant them in peat pots like yours when the roots start growing out of the bottom of the rapid rooters. When I do I water the soil I'm going to use the day before potting them so it is moist and not wet. Immediately after getting them in the peat pot I add 12 ml water to the rapid rooter and leave the soil like it is.

After they are in peat pots I water when the soil is dry to my knuckle. Watch the top of the rapid rooter for clues as it will look bone dry when its time to water. However the soil deeper than knuckle depth should still be just barely moist. That's hard to determine but if it feels colder past knuckle depth but doesnt feel damp its probably just about right to water.

How much water you give them after that can be tricky in the size pot you have it in. That's what I use but maybe you should try one a bit smaller. A smaller starter pot you just water to run off. The bigger one I would water till the soil is moist but probably not until runoff until it has a decent set of larger leaves. Then you can water to runoff. To simplify watering when it is big enough go to a 1 gallon air pot or peat pot. Water to run off and use the knuckle depth test to determine when to water. When it outgrows that go to your final pot.

If those are really peat pots I plant pot and all when transplanting.

Use good soil. Fox Farms or one of the other ones recommended here but I can never remember the names.

That is not the only proper way to do it. It is just very easy and will help you figure out how to water a seedling.

As far as your current plant I really dont have a clue. But there is alot we dont know about it. Maybe someone else here does.

This is how small a ml is if you arent aware. The line is
30 ml.

**gold01ca** · 10-09-2018, 05:29 AM

good advice there from redwasp.
I use a 20cc/ml syringe when watering seedlings, gives you an idea of the small volumes of water we're talking about here.

**Jibblerjoe** · 10-09-2018, 06:53 AM

Everyone of these suggestions are Good ones. There are also very good articles on the GWE site, they give very good directions and pics, just type it in the search or check out the different grow articles.

**WeirdWiredWolf** · 10-09-2018, 05:40 PM

For seedlings, I use a tabletop full-spectrum lamp until I see a few sets of real leaves, then transition to a sunny window and then the tent.

**terrafirma00042** · 10-09-2018, 07:33 PM

Unfortunately that one was definitely dead and I honestly feel a little bad for it's suffering. Pretty sure the initial over watering and a 300 watt LED made sure she never stood a chance. Pulled it out after it was completely yellow and falling. Most of the taproot grew curved to the side and was brown.

I have followed advice of previous posts and put 2 60w 2700 CFLs about two inches away on a Jack Herer photo fem. It was already germinated and I planted, taproot down, today. Medium is a seed starter made of coco coir in the same peat pot, but I did use the bigger one. Not much bigger. Watered right before I put the seed in. Will be checking soil a little closer this time and not deciding to water by how it looks on the surface.

Taproot curled on this one too and I'm not sure why that keeps happening. Didn't attempt to straighten per advice of this site. Chose start in soil with peat pots to reduce transplanting difficulties. This taproot wasn't as long to start though so it might do better even though it's curved. I am using a wet paper towel in a sandwich bag. Then it goes into the peat pot, watered first, just under the surface. Then a couple drops of water. This is now under the two 60 watt 2700, only ones available at the store. Hopefully tomorrow evening or so it'll be popping up!

**Redwasp** · 10-09-2018, 08:08 PM

Peat pot to 1 gallon to 5 gallon should be fine. Next grow I highly recommend starting in rapid rooters.

**Mr.furley** · 10-09-2018, 11:57 PM

Hey terrafirma00042
Sorry your first grow didn't grow, Just keep trying and you will do get.
You should start a grow Journal for your new seed, update it often with pictures and what's on your mind. Alot of us would stub in to help/watch with progress and as you can see The forum is a fast way to get help, answers, as well as guidance to the different stages and pages of growweedeasy.com.
not to mention we love watch a grow start to finish.
good luck and look forward to your success.

**Pyro1711** · 10-10-2018, 06:31 AM

https://www.amazon.com/Shengsite-Hyd...9HKZ2XWZ6EZVCX. I use a light like this on all my seedlings until they are ready to go in the tent or outside. I keep it wrapped with a bath towel making a little temp tent with the light about 8 to 10 inches above the plants. Germinate my seeds in moist rapid rooters until they are about 3 inches tall then sink the rapid rooter into my soil mix into a 6 inch pot, then when she gets bigger I move to it's final pot. Next time try mixing some Coco in with your seed starter soil and an extra hand full of perlite, this should help your over watering issues. I can't tell for sure, but it looks like you are using those jiffy seed starter pots? Be careful of those because they hold moisture, and I have had mold issues with them in the past. Gently water your plants, and tear away those pots and place the ball into it's final pot when you are ready to transplant.

**terrafirma00042** · 10-13-2018, 11:30 AM

Well two days ago my Jack Herer sprouted. Today 10/13 the first leaves have not opened. The seed casing is off. There is some gunk from the casing on what would be the underside on one of the first leaves, but they are closed. Still under 2 60w CFL. Should I get surgical and help it open?

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