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    #16
    Dankwing has a good point, I learn a LOT for my GH grow from this sight, just have to tweak how you apply it to your own situation.
    You are doing darn good keeping temps in that range, and they can tolerate a little hotter, like Dan said. I have had to deal with some of those upper temps a lot this summer, having a good deep mulch helps them tolerate it, a bunch, keeping there roots cool. I use straw.

    One way a greenhouse moderates it's temperatures, is through thermal mass, having large, closed, water barrels, against the back wall, makes a huge difference. They hold some of the heat from the day, especially if they are painted black, they also store coolness from the night, and radiate that back as well, during the day, just like the worlds oceans do. There are other climate control strategies you can employ, like geothermal heating and cooling, plants transpiration. A great place I found was " 9 ways to cool your greenhouse" at least think that was his youtube, french guy that builds geodesic dome style.

    Humidity management can become tricky when you go into flowering, I had serious mold problems my first grow. Always water in the morning, be careful of extra water getting spilled in there, have great air flow and circulation, don't get water on the buds. I also believe that staggering the water schedule helps, if you water every 3-4 days with a heavy mulch, then water a 3rd of the plants one day, another 3rd the next, etc. I keeps your humidity more even, and helps get rid of that spike from watering EVERYTHING at once. I also think the mulch can be your friend, most of it is dry in between waterings if you do it right, it give moisture some place to go at night, beside your buds.

    You can check out my thread" sitting on some organic fertilizer, or my plants have my back" might be something useful in there, or maybe give you ideas.

    Those are some real cool purple stems by the way! Don't think I've seen that before, what strain is it?

    Happy growing!

    Organic Soil,
    with molasses,
    In a Greenhouse with,
    Redneck engineering.

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      #17
      thanks.. i'm listening.. The 2 purple stemmed ones are Purple Jacks.. we also have 1 Cindy 99 and one 9lb hammer.. I live on the SO Oregon coast so high temps are not a big problem for us and we have breezes most every day and night of varying strengths so with vents open it gets a good air movement and we have a small fan going 24/7.. from The little i know on growing I think we have some good plants.. but at some point the processes changes,,.. I know i am over thinking it but I have no idea on 'what is next' .. do i need to do anything for flowering or during flowering.... I do not believe I can... or need to... do a 12 on 12 off of lighting but if i am wrong.. how do i do it.. The outdoor ones we helped with last year we did not even now about changing the lighting let alone do any of it....these plants have never had any thing but organic fertilizer on them ..no sprays.. no additives.. I am hoping to keep it that way.. is that possible.. I am so way over thinking this..

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        #18
        Your welcome. Will have to put that strain on my radar, now!

        No, you do not have to do anything for flower if you don't want to, once the nights start getting close to 12 hrs, they will flower naturally. It is possible that if rainy season up there starts before harvest, humidity could be hard to manage, but at least they won't be outside getting rained on. Adding just a little heat if it's cold and rainy, does the most to lower humidity, in my experience.

        I have basically a smaller greenhouse frame inside my greenhouse, so that I can cover them for 12 hrs at night if I want to "force" flowering. It's handy for starting the season early, growing multiple crops of photo period plants a year, but is not necessary. You have to make sure to have air exchange and a fan inside it, if you go that route. I basically used the plans for setting up a grow tent, to come up with it, and built it with my own plans. Not really TO hard to make, pain in the ass covering and uncovering on a daily basses though.
        Organic Soil,
        with molasses,
        In a Greenhouse with,
        Redneck engineering.

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        • GreenhouseEffect
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          I've been messing with them since I was a little kid, didn't start growing pot in one till I was a big kid, last spring, to be more presize.
          Happy to share, but intend to mis spel, so heads up!!

          Last summer I was getting a little happy with ye ol' Braer Rabit, glugging big dumps into the watering can, getting it on the lower leaves, even. Then I started growing this black moldy stuff on the lower buds, humidity was to high also, of course. Black sooty mold normally grows on the sugary honey dew which aphids excrete, from there butt. I figured it was growing from all the sugars. I now other growers that have had the same problem.

          I still use molasses, it's great stuff, but I now do like D.a.a.s does, and ad it to the worm casting tea, that I always have on hand, I bubble it in a 100 gallon horse trough, with a big aquarium pump I got off amazon, plants LOVE the stuff, good during vedge, to.

          Growers love,
          The GreenhouseEffect

        • faller49
          faller49 commented
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          tell me more of this molasses you speak of.. ..

        • GreenhouseEffect
          GreenhouseEffect commented
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          It's icky and sticky, and it can potentially help make your buds more sticky and stanngggky!

        #19
        Thanks to everybody for their comments,, advise and suggestions ..Our plants are growing in 15 gallon aerated grow pots with about 12 gallons of certified organic soil with a couple handfuls of Nature Living Soil super concentrate... ( https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1 ) That is some great stuff to..... I have also added some 100% worm castings in the last week.. The green house is 8 x 6 defused plastic and the four plants are completely filling it.... I like the plan of letting nature take it's course and that was one major thing i was needing to know.. so grow on they shall.. We are not in any hurry at all..I think i will get a bit bigger fan for those coming days when our breezes will lay down.. with the grow pots and warmer days and the plants get larger we are finding that watering has gone from once every few days to every other day to now adding a half gallon each morning... I also plan on adding a couple more handfuls of the Natures Living Soil on top of soil this week..

        Please keep adding thoughts,, dos and do not's ..and advice.. i am 68 and my brain does not function quite as well as i think it should in figuring this stuff out.. Maybe best advice was from my wife.. she said.. it is just a damned weed.. do not kill it and it will grow..

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        • DankwingDuck
          DankwingDuck commented
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          Your wife hit the nail on the head .
          It will grow and produce it is a weed .
          You as a grower just need to give it the building blocks to become the best weed it can be .

        #20
        Something to ponder, I have friends that grow outdoor some in greenhouse, but most start to cover their plants to achieve 12/12 a few weeks ahead of mother nature. Then when the schedule line up they stop covering.

        This starts flower a little sooner. Thus finishing a little sooner hopefully beating the risk of mold &rot.

        Just another idea.
        "Life is not about being dealt a great hand but playing a poor hand well"...

        •Roots Organics over kindsoil in 5gal fabric pots

        •600w hps supplement w/Kind LEDs during flower

        •4" can-fan w/can-filter(carbon)

        •14,000btu air conditioner

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          #21
          yes.. I can see looking at that.. Thanks.. time to get the almanac out..

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          • faller49
            faller49 commented
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            so Sept 23 is my fifty - fifty day.. maybe flowering in will start sept 10 or so??

          • GreenhouseEffect
            GreenhouseEffect commented
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            Something like that.
            Keep in mind to, that plants can sometimes stretch 1/3rd to sometimes double when they first start to flower, so make sure you don't run out of ceiling height. More mature plants tend to stretch less, and strains vary. If you think you might run out of head room, that's when you will want to take a look at what the indoor growers do, as far as plant training, better yet, start reading up now, and have a plan ready to go!
            There some methods that let the plant be a more natural shape, and that natural "Christmas Tree" shape, does do pretty good utilizing NATURAL light. Fiming, simple topping, and bending, can all help, without doing anything too elaborate, or super stressful to your plants, especially on a first grow.

            My first grow, I saw this really cool thing called main lining, worked good, only all that cutting helped to give my plants bud rot in my humid environment, and wasn't really the best use of sunlight. Just pick what makes the most sense for what ya got goin, and do what strikes your fancy.

          • GreenhouseEffect
            GreenhouseEffect commented
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            Check out some Jorge Cervantes on his youtube channel, as well. He can be hard to follow, smokes a little to much while recording and kinda gets lost in his thoughts, but takes ya some cool places, like farms of GIANT pot plants out in Cali, all organic in soil. Goes to some cool commercial greenhouse grows, to.

          #22
          OK.. Ok.. and Ok.. thanks.. the 2 purple Jacks have been topped a few weeks ago and are doing well in a bushy state.. The Cindy99 I just did what I think is FIMed about 2 weeks or so ago and it Is getting the coolest looking crown on it.. The 9lb hammer my wife wanted to let grow to see what would happen and is with in inches of the structure top.. Going to have to decide what to do on it I think.. Ordered a better osculating fan today ..

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          • faller49
            faller49 commented
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            No, colas was the word i could not think of.. Crown was meant as all the cool colas.. LOL.... Super cropping i have experimented with after watching a video.. I 'broke' two branches to se the results.. they are fine and going strong.. My wife tried it and broke it pretty much clean off.. was real bummed.. I got some scotch tape and taped the wound.. ran a string to it to hold it up.. that was a month ago and it is a great looking branch with several colas.. like its mates..

          • Chefbjy
            Chefbjy commented
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            Grafting tape would be a better option used for graphting roses etc...supercropping is a great technique even if your good on height. The buds done on supercropped branches get fat dense and juicy. I supercrop for precise training and to get an even canopy. 😉 practice makes perfect and some feel it's safer then lst.

          • DankwingDuck
            DankwingDuck commented
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            Yeah like a said you beat it and treat it bad and it just won’t go away ... just like my exwife.. (I didn’t beat her tho just saying lmao)

          #23
          Welcome to Season 5 CONT!★ A quick tutorial on my favorite method of 'Super Cropping'✔ SUBSCRIBE ✔ LIKE ✔ COMMENT ✔ FAVORITE ✔ SHARE ✔Contact email: ogs.grow...


          heck this out it’s a decent video on the basics of the technique.
          DWC hydroponics 2.5 gal veg 5 gal bloom / GH flora trio + calimagic, florablend, Koolbloom, rapid start , hydroguard , armor si, diamond nectar, floralicous plus / 600w hps / 48x48x80 grow tent x2 / white widow / special kush #1 / 24/0 12/12. Hopes prayers and a tiny bit of luck.

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            #24
            GreenhouseEffect I also felt the same way before I did it . If you read my grow journal I say more then once I didn’t want to do any major training at all . But as you can see I quickly over came that fear . And this is the result of super cropping in early veg . These plants are about 2 feet wide on average and only about 7 inches tall . The canopy was so full that I have had to defoliate twice already . They are well on track to be some real monsters . I have managed to maintain an even canopy using this technique and while I only have 4 feet from top of pot to bottom of the light I have really managed to maximize my space . And light . Even tho they were slow starters . They are well on there way to putting to shame everything I have grown before now .

            Super cropping is is really easy but you have to do it with confidence . As they say , what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger . And super cropping is those words in motion. Once you do this it’s hard to turn back to doing it any other way .
            DWC hydroponics 2.5 gal veg 5 gal bloom / GH flora trio + calimagic, florablend, Koolbloom, rapid start , hydroguard , armor si, diamond nectar, floralicous plus / 600w hps / 48x48x80 grow tent x2 / white widow / special kush #1 / 24/0 12/12. Hopes prayers and a tiny bit of luck.

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            • faller49
              faller49 commented
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              very cool.. way different look than ours.. ah.. liking the learning.. Wish we could do more than 4 plants.. I would have a garden of experimental plants..

            • DankwingDuck
              DankwingDuck commented
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              Well In an outdoor lighting controlled grow your limited by the size your plants will get . In an indoor grow we are limited by the size of our room . But in a greenhouse you acquire those space limits and still have that long veg to deal with . So applying techniques that allow you to utilize you horizontal space will allow you to maximize your space to it full potential.
              Last edited by DankwingDuck; 07-04-2018, 06:56 AM.

            • DankwingDuck
              DankwingDuck commented
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              As far as maximizing yield it is less about amount of plants and more about coverage of square footage . With a longer veg you have much bigger plants that will in turn produce a much larger amount of bud . Where in a controlled lighting envirment if you not running a long veg cycle say only 3-4 weeks you have to use a lot more plants to cover that same square footage to achieve that same yield .

            #25
            I did not do the full super crop because of fear.. Ha.. that will probably be a next grow thing..

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            • DankwingDuck
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              I had 3 grows under my belt before I did any form of major training so I understand fully .

            #26
            I took some different angle pics.. not looking for show.. just like to get ideas on what next whether super cropping or other.... as long as I have you guys chatting..

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            • DankwingDuck
              DankwingDuck commented
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              With super cropping or even just bend and tie down metod you could easily fill the square footage this early in the year. Also scroging could be used to achieve this without haveing to commit to something like super cropping . You could also just let them grow and see what happens . Maybe do some more topping and fimming. I like to top every 3rd nod which is how I got my plants so full and bushy . Really a combo of all training g technique is best . Al little topping here some tieing down there maybe some cropping . You can only hurt the plant so much . you hurt them and treat them bad and like your crazy ex girl friend you just can’t get them to go away . So once you overcome that fear and apply some tried and true training techniques you can really use that grow space to it full potential.

            • DankwingDuck
              DankwingDuck commented
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              If those where mine I would literally super crop them right in the middle and fan them out but that’s me . You have to do what you feel comfortable with.

            • DankwingDuck
              DankwingDuck commented
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              If you do decide to crop get you a pair of pliers and wrap tape around the pincer end to add some coushion . Your plants stocks will be thick and need a little extra muscle to get them to bend but take your time and it will go really smooth . If you damage a branch just wrap that bend with some tape like a bandage and leave it there for a week or 2 . It will heal up like it never happened .

            #27
            so I decided to do some checking on the Purple Stems... (and a note to the Cannabis details sites.. add pic"s of the plants.. not just the buds..) But Purple Stems does not seem to be normal but is blame largely on deficiencies.. and/or genetics.. My plants appear to be doing good so I am going with Genetic in this case and Of my 4 plants the 2 called Purple Jack are the ones with the purple stems..

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              #28
              Ok.. a new thing for you/us.. Neighbor Lady has had 4 plants setting out side in 2 small of pots with to little soil for about 3 weeks.. These things have have not grown an inch in that time and are about 5 to 6 inches tall.. ( i will get pictures).. Last Night We transplanted them to LARGE pot with some Organic potting/growing soil and a few handfuls of worm castings that i still had.. (I have some more Natures Soil Concentrate on it's way)
              But here is the question.. 1 plant definetly and maybe one other is already trying to flower.. So Now what..

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                #29
                this is the plant in the red pot.. noticed also.. it is only one of the 4 that has a purple stem.. We think it is called a Afgan/Green Crack and is an indica dominant..(not a 100% on types as the markings on the original plastic markers had mostly rubbed off.)

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                  #30
                  my wife got some better pictures..

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                  • Chefbjy
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                    Maybe an auto flower they will stop growing and start budding whenever their cycle allows no need for 12/12.

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