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Is AI going to help or hurt home growers in the long run?

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wannabeagrower

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We were having an interesting conversation in another thread about AI and growing weed at home.

One of the things people were talking about is how the AI companies like ChatGPT or OpenAI will use information about growing weed when they inevitably crawl growing weed tutorials on public websites like growweedeasy.com.

Will it make the information harder to access, or easier? Ultimately I think the goal is to make it so anyone can easily learn how to grow weed no matter where they are.

Is AI going to help make that happen, or will it make it harder for new growers to learn the craft? Why or why not?
 
I feel like it's to early to judge AI's impact on home growing weed. I feel like AI is just another tool in the tool box. It's there if someone wants to use it. But I also feel like AI has the potential to dumb down weed cultivation because it takes away a lot of practical experience. A grower doesn't have to learn anything just ask the box and get an answer. I am not opposed to technology.
 
Chipmunk said:
I wonder how I ever figured out how to grow ganja 50 yrs ago w/o a computer!
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That's just it...50 years ago there were books, not electronics. And not a single book that I was aware of that was a guide for growing weed. At least where I lived at the time.
 
dmpmfd said:
I'm more concerned about the AI data centers using too much water so we won't be able to grow. :( :rolleyes:
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So what exactly is the deal with the water and AI. How would AI centers make it so people can't grow? Is it that they're polluting the water? I don't fully understand what the deal is with AI centers and wasting water. Isn't there tons of water everywhere?

Maybe pot farmers will all have to switch to hydro. It barely uses any water after you fill up the reservoir. I was thinking about maybe switching for the environment. Also you aren't pouring all the nutrients into the sewage system from all the runoff nutrients, which I understand is not good for the local water supply.

I wonder if home growers are going to have to figure out how to be more sustainable while growing, now that the big companies are taking all the resources. But growers will always find a way!

Ok, I just smoked a joint so maybe I'm being optimistic but I feel confident growers will keep growing, and as long as we keep getting the information out there then anyone with a few seeds can grow their own supply even if water and resources are tight.

And one thing that makes me optimistic about the big AI companies is ChatGPT won't even always talk to you about weed. I think they're not going after home growers as much because they are afraid legally to give out weed growing advice. So hopefully the home growers can fly under the radar a bit and make it even easier to grow before the big companies try to take over.

I wish we had weed legalization like Germany. They legalized weed for home growers, but companies aren't allowed to grow. Almost the exact opposite of the US. We make it so companies can profit and home growers can't even order seeds online without dealing with a ton of hassle!

Seriously though, what is going on with AI and water and will it affect home growers?
 
There is water all over the earth. The problem is its briny and undrinkable. So while there is water everywhere we can only look at it and play in it. And desalination isn't yet economically or environmentally feasible with the technology available today. The reason AI centers need water is to cool their equipment. That process contaminates the water. If it is not recycled it is toxic to humans and the environment.

I can appreciate your optimism but my experience is the people that own ChatGPT only care about the money. I know we won't hear that coming out of their mouth but they aren't collecting data on every living soul on earth to create benevolence in the world. They are in the business to make money. My guess is home growers are not on the radar screen yet simply because the collective water usage would be negligible.

Check out the news concerning the water situation in the western U.S., the Colorado river, and lakes Meade and Powell.
 
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golfnrl said:
There is water all over the earth. The problem is its briny and undrinkable. So while there is water everywhere we can only look at it and play in it. And desalination isn't yet economically or environmentally feasible with the technology available today. The reason AI centers need water is to cool their equipment. That process contaminates the water.
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I figure there has to be a reason, but why don't they just cool their equipment with salt water? Or polluted water? If it's just for cooling, it doesn't matter to the machines, and then people can keep the clean water.

Like why does AI need clean water in particular, if it's just for cooling?
 
wannabeagrower said:
I figure there has to be a reason, but why don't they just cool their equipment with salt water? Or polluted water? If it's just for cooling, it doesn't matter to the machines, and then people can keep the clean water.

Like why does AI need clean water in particular, if it's just for cooling?
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Because dirty water will damage their equipment. Salt water doesn't dispel heat as efficiently as fresh water and the salinity corrodes pipes and equipment. AI companies and data centers can provide their own water and recycle it, that costs a lot. Cities, towns, and states are being asked to foot that bill. Once the recycle system is built is is very sustainable. But companies don't want to pay the up front cost. Recycling water is the way to go but it isn't cheap. If I remember right, Las Vegas recycles about 90% of their city's water usage. They won't be caught short when the water dries up in the Colorado river.
 
The data centers prioritize technology over people. Clean life giving water consumed by that which does not live. That is why the signal The downfall of civilization. Think im being dramatic? It shouldn't astonish anyone, money has already proven to be much more valuable then human life in the new economy.
 
Wildbennyatl said:
The data centers prioritize technology over people. Clean life giving water consumed by that which does not live. That is why the signal The downfall of civilization. Think im being dramatic? It shouldn't astonish anyone, money has already proven to be much more valuable then human life in the new economy.
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In the new economy? When was the old economy valuing human life more than money? I don't think that's happened since the invention of money. Maybe I'm just a humbug.

But historically, the only thing that succeeds at fighting big money is when we organize together. They need us to consume their products, work their jobs, and vote their politicians into office. So when we organize and take a stand together, they have to actually listen or their precious money dries up. But until we make it cost them money they'll keep doing what keeps the bankrolls coming.

But they get all the cannabis growers fighting each other. It's sad how often you have dispensary owners supporting legislation that would make home growing illegal. Multiple states lets companies grow weed but not regular people, because of dispensary owners lobbying against home grow. Yet so many weed lovers I know don't even vote and refuse to boycott bad companies or dispensaries. So why would anyone listen to us.

With AI, it feels like it's just going to be more of the same. Like the internet all over again. I remember when everyone thought the internet was going to ruin everything. But it wasn't the internet, it was social media and news companies that ended up sucking the most. And with AI, I feel like it's not going to be the AI ruining growing, but the runaway companies profiting to our detriment.
 
wannabeagrower said:
In the new economy? When was the old economy valuing human life more than money? I don't think that's happened since the invention of money. Maybe I'm just a humbug.

But historically, the only thing that succeeds at fighting big money is when we organize together. They need us to consume their products, work their jobs, and vote their politicians into office. So when we organize and take a stand together, they have to actually listen or their precious money dries up. But until we make it cost them money they'll keep doing what keeps the bankrolls coming.

But they get all the cannabis growers fighting each other. It's sad how often you have dispensary owners supporting legislation that would make home growing illegal. Multiple states lets companies grow weed but not regular people, because of dispensary owners lobbying against home grow. Yet so many weed lovers I know don't even vote and refuse to boycott bad companies or dispensaries. So why would anyone listen to us.

With AI, it feels like it's just going to be more of the same. Like the internet all over again. I remember when everyone thought the internet was going to ruin everything. But it wasn't the internet, it was social media and news companies that ended up sucking the most. And with AI, I feel like it's not going to be the AI ruining growing, but the runaway companies profiting to our detriment.
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I would argue that the technology hasn't harmed anyone at any time. AI won't harm anyone either. But the people that use the technology now there's something to talk about. Divide and conquer has been a winning strategy from the dawn of time. I like your thoughts about where the real power is. IMHO, labor bests capital every time. Capital cannot produce a thing without labor.
 
wannabeagrower said:
In the new economy? When was the old economy valuing human life more than money? I don't think that's happened since the invention of money. Maybe I'm just a humbug.

But historically, the only thing that succeeds at fighting big money is when we organize together. They need us to consume their products, work their jobs, and vote their politicians into office. So when we organize and take a stand together, they have to actually listen or their precious money dries up. But until we make it cost them money they'll keep doing what keeps the bankrolls coming.

But they get all the cannabis growers fighting each other. It's sad how often you have dispensary owners supporting legislation that would make home growing illegal. Multiple states lets companies grow weed but not regular people, because of dispensary owners lobbying against home grow. Yet so many weed lovers I know don't even vote and refuse to boycott bad companies or dispensaries. So why would anyone listen to us.

With AI, it feels like it's just going to be more of the same. Like the internet all over again. I remember when everyone thought the internet was going to ruin everything. But it wasn't the internet, it was social media and news companies that ended up sucking the most. And with AI, I feel like it's not going to be the AI ruining growing, but the runaway companies profiting to our detriment.
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Your right man ain't nothing changed
golfnrl said:
I would argue that the technology hasn't harmed anyone at any time. AI won't harm anyone either. But the people that use the technology now there's something to talk about. Divide and conquer has been a winning strategy from the dawn of time. I like your thoughts about where the real power is. IMHO, labor bests capital every time. Capital cannot produce a thing without labor.
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I agree Wannabe people have most often always valued money over human life, you are correct, i guess my beef is that it isn't our natural state, not how we were created to coexist with each other. But let me pull this thread back into the Marijuana realm before I get booted lol We don't need data centers we need the cleam water for crops to eat and smoke. I survived just fine for many years without data centers and , I even had the internet. I hate data centers. Marijuana prohibition also figures in because a basic human freedom to smoke a herb is being oppressed for the gain of money. You how we all agree slavery is horrible evil and not being enslaved in a basic human right. Well I think Marijuana prohibition is also a horrible evil and being able to grow and consume without threat of imprisonment is a basic human right. On a worse note guys I applied a calcium leach made with egg shells into my frt water and I think I killed all my plants im dying over here... In the new economy? When was the old economy valuing human life more than money? I don't think that's happened since the invention of money. Maybe I'm just a humbug

I agree Wannabe people have most often always valued money over human life, you are correct, i guess my beef is that it isn't our natural state, not how we were created to coexist with each other. But let me pull this thread back into the e need the cleam water for crops to eat and smoke. I survived just fine for many years without data centers and , I even had the internet. I hate data centers. Marijuana prohibition also figures in because a basic human freedom to smoke a herb is being oppressed for the gain of money. You how we all agree slavery is horrible evil and not being enslaved in a basic human right. Well I think Marijuana prohibition is also a horrible evil and being able to grow and consume without threat of imprisonment is a basic human right. On a worse note guys I applied a calcium leach made with egg shells into my frt water and I think I killed all my plants im dying over here...
 
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@wannabeagrower Google is one instance of environmental damage.
www.theguardian.com

‘Pure arrogance’: anger in Finland as Google illegally fells 250,000 trees for datacentre

Company ordered to stop work at two sites in country, which has found itself at forefront of tech firms’ latest push
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
news.un.org

AI’s environmental costs threaten water, land and climate

Artificial Intelligence is not only responsible for worrying amounts of earth-warming greenhouse gases: the technology's environmental footprint is also expanding at a pace that could strain the planet’s natural resources.
news.un.org news.un.org

Water usage:
www.theguardian.com

‘Pure arrogance’: anger in Finland as Google illegally fells 250,000 trees for datacentre

Company ordered to stop work at two sites in country, which has found itself at forefront of tech firms’ latest push
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
www.lincolninst.edu

Data Drain: The Land and Water Impacts of the AI Boom - Lincoln Institute of Land Policy

Communities across the US are wooing data centers with tax breaks and other incentives. But data centers are resource-ravenous, creating demands for land, water, and power that many host communities are not prepared to meet.
www.lincolninst.edu www.lincolninst.edu

Read up on the topic and then make your decision. This is looking more like the Terminator movie just in real life.
 
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