Latent Hop Viroid please help

[Windforce]

Hello guys and gals, hope everyone is doing as good as possible. I recently started a new grow with Dutch Passion Blue Zushi, Mocum Tulip and Barneys Runts cake. I has grown the Runtz the previous grow and was really pleased with the end product. Never grew anything from Dutch passion before. I have a good 10 years of experience growing and i had dealt with almost every possible problems, plant and me induced. However i have never came across this stuff before. Im pretty sure it started from the One of the Zushi plants and i spread it on all the others via touching the plants, before i starting noticing symptoms. The pictures are in the end of the 4th week from the moment i put the seeds in the soil. Im super disappointed and frustrated and i contacted the Dutch Passion team, which by the way were very fast to respond but gave me the expected bs that they are testing the seeds and that its probably my fault, bla-bla. When i asked them in my following email how are they testing all seeds they are selling (this is just financial nonesense) and why didnt they test the mother plant, they gave me another bs explanations, telling me that they are growing this strain on a commercial level and that it never happened to them. Regardless, im now left with the decision what to do. I have already ordered new seeds, not from Dutch Passion of course and i am in the process of moving my other tent in another room where i will saniteze everything with bleach and so fort. But i just dont want to kill all those plants. Has anyone here encountered this crazy stuff before and finish a plant suffering from it ? Ive read that the damage to the quality of the end product is very serious.

Thanks in advance to anyone who will respond !

[DabberDog]

I tried to educate myself but am lost. Why do you think your plants have LHV? I see phenotypes.
I'd say you were well on your way to fine-looking dope, those at just 4 weeks from seed to now.

[Windforce]

Thanks for tuning in. They have all the symptomatics of lhv and the pictures are not doing good enough job to showcase how small, fragile and with very little lateral growth of the shoots they really are. Im growing back to back or perpetuals for few years now and im used to how plants look at that point. Those are sick with something and i concluded its lhv based on symptomatics and just luckily bumped into info about it. I didnt know about it few days ago.

[DabberDog]

10-4. I don't have an answer for you. My setup is simple, small, and I live in a good environment. I don't know what to look for other than bugs and yellow spots. Were yours mine, I would be doing a 4-week update and bragging about green tips instead of asking about issues.
Are you using a different medium or medium source?

[OldManGrower]

I am with DabberDog on this one. I don't know what you're accustomed too, but I think they look good.

[Rwise]

here is a good write-up on HLVd

https://medicinalgenomics.com/applications/hop-latent-viroid-in-cannabis/

I see moisture on the leaves, this will cause burns under lights.

[DabberDog]

From the article, checking the trichomes is a pretty straight forward diagnosis. I dig. A thumb for making me dig something.
How does that $4 billion lost in yields weigh against the apparently tons of unsold dope sitting in warehouses?
About light burn Rwise. I get that water drops will burn leaves outdoors or with a single point of light. But with the multi bulb LED's and QB's people are using, does it work the same way? I can focus my light on my hand with a magnifying glass and not get any heat.

[Rwise]

have never had burns from water drops outside, only inside under LEDs

[ductwizard]

windforce, whats up bro, heres my 1 cent worth, if you have another tent why kill these plants? just keep them seperate like u planned. they're already paid 4 so u have nothing to lose, unless u need the space or dont have the time to deal with them. i hate to think u put all this work into them just to scrap 'em

[Windforce]

10-4. I don't have an answer for you. My setup is simple, small, and I live in a good environment. I don't know what to look for other than bugs and yellow spots. Were yours mine, I would be doing a 4-week update and bragging about green tips instead of asking about issues.
Are you using a different medium or medium source?

Thats what i will do too. I will however flower them right away, starting monday next weed. Everything is the same as it was always. My setup is also not very big and quite simple, im just growing a lot, cuz we consume a lot of product, in different forms in my household. Im not concerned about quantity for that reason, but quality should oustanding, otherwise it is of no use. Me and my wife were in a heavy car accident years ago and are now combating the terrible chronic neuropathic pain thats left. We will se what will come out of those fellas. I will keep u updated. Thanks for taking of your time to respond.

[Windforce]

windforce, whats up bro, heres my 1 cent worth, if you have another tent why kill these plants? just keep them seperate like u planned. they're already paid 4 so u have nothing to lose, unless u need the space or dont have the time to deal with them. i hate to think u put all this work into them just to scrap 'em

Hello, thank you for adding your thoughts here. Im thinking the same thing, so we will se what those ladies brings up after they are done. I will keep u updated.

[Windforce]

I am with DabberDog on this one. I don't know what you're accustomed too, but I think they look good.

Thank u OldMan for putting your 2 cents here. I will nurture them until the end and will see what the final product is after few weeks. I only hope i that they do not loose a lot of potency from this, whatever it is.

[Windforce]

So a brief update from yesterday after i watered them (first heavier watering) - they didnt move a cm in height and only few of them produce small lateral growth from the shoots. Also normally by that point, plants are starting to get hungry and they receive their first feed. So definitely severely stunt, but still no signs of chlorosis or any changes in the leaves appearence. However leaves on all plants are overlapping hard.

[BU2B]

I’ve known one person ever who had two HLV plants. You really could not tell until it was harvest time. Then all his trimming revealed - fluffy, larfy, lightweight, bud like things … but no real flower packets. Keep the plants alive Blue Zushi can hit close to 35% THC 💚
But seriously I’d be looking at other causes. It’s called LATENT viroid for a reason. You usually don’t know till it’s too late
these two plants are the same age - the suicide black had the HLV

https://plantcelltechnology.com/blogs/blog/blogheard-of-dudding-disease

[Windforce]

I’ve known one person ever who had two HLV plants. You really could not tell until it was harvest time. Then all his trimming revealed - fluffy, larfy, lightweight, bud like things … but no real flower packets. Keep the plants alive Blue Zushi can hit close to 35% THC 💚
But seriously I’d be looking at other causes. It’s called LATENT viroid for a reason. You usually don’t know till it’s too late
these two plants are the same age - the suicide black had the HLV

https://plantcelltechnology.com/blogs/blog/blogheard-of-dudding-disease

Thanks for your reply and picture references. Those two plants look really sad. Can u speculate what other causes do u think can be responsible for whats going on. Are u aware if a weed plant can only be a carrier of the viroid and not be affected in any way ? Ive grown plants in very poor conditions in terms of hygiene, where i had several big yellow stickies in the box, full of gnats and in overall poorly controlled environment but never suffered any disease related problems, other than bud rot if it can be considered a disease.

[DabberDog]

One of the things I read in that article was about some strains being more susceptible than others and some may have it but not show until late flowering.
That would be interesting to see if you could create strains that are created more for disease tolerance than smell and size and such.

[dirtymike]

Nothing wrong with those plants. Grow on