Replacement seeds arrived today, something for every occasion. βπΎβπΎπ€πΎ
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2 weeks since opening cloytelons.
Stems starting to fatten up, was going to water today but I'm having trouble keeping the room warm overnight ( dropping to 64f ) so think I'll hold off a day. Quite happy with the progress so far.Comment
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If you have a seed mat for germination you can use it on the young sprouts to keep them warm at lights off. Just be careful and don't go nuts on the heat so you don't affect your roots. I like 77Β°/25C for root temps. -
Yea ive got a heat mat bro but its not adjustable and I worry if I don't get out there first thing in the morning it might cook them. In a week or two I'm going to upgrade my smaller oil heater to a 11 fin hopefully that will cure the chills.
Reading your comment on my topping practices has got me thinking,These are blue dream photos would you top once or twice or not at all?
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You can keep the roots from cooking by raising the pots. The warmth that comes off the pad should be enough to keep them warm.
As far as topping, it really depends on how much time you want to keep them in veg and how much room you have in your space to grow them. Topping them will slow down growth temporarily but will reward you with more and bigger lateral branching meaning you'll have more consistently sized flowers rather than the traditional Christmas tree shape where the top cola is the biggest.
What are you feeding your plants? Are you using soil nutrition like in organic grows or are you supplementing with fertilizers? I use synthetic fertilizers as it allows me to supplement the plant when it needs more of a particular nutrient at a particular growth phase. I use this chart as a general guideline. The only thing I've found to be different is to start Cal/Mg a couple weeks sooner.
Do you use any Silicone in your feeds? I find using Mono Silicic Acid to be quite useful, especially if you are pruning for more branching. IIRC, a botanist told me that using MSA, if you are topping and FIMming, will work together with calcium when it is building branch cellulose and strengthen the cell walls allowing for larger and heavier colas without having to trellis or yo yo them from falling over.
What I like to do is to try and balance the extra time topping adds to veg by FIMming. FIMming is less stressful on your plants meaning the stunting window is much smaller. I'll usually top after I see node 6 forming and remove it leaving 5 nodes to break the Apical Dominance. I'll give it a week to recover and start to sprout new lateral branching. Once I see that the new laterals have established themselves, I'll FIM specific areas to try and get more branching and bud sites ready so that when I flip the light schedule I have strategically placed my bud sites where they can get as much light exposure as they can without any of the other leaf material blocking them along with filliing in the screen I use when I ScrOG. This keeps me from having to constantly be pruning away leaves.
What part of Oz are you from? When I was semi pro surfing I got to surf all over the Gold Coast in Queensland. I also got to surf at Bondi and Bells along with Margeret River, Manly and Byron Bay. Back in the day my Ozzie friends would tell me that in Australia you were either a pro surfer or an electrician(Sparky)!
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Awesome man, thanks for your help. I have only been feeding them with root booster and one was looking a little bit pale so I gave it some nitrogen+cal-mag and that greened it up in 24 hrs, I used supersi (silica) in my DWC setup but I haven't got any left. I've got synthetic nutes left over from my last DWC if I need to top up. I will be using "water only" turbo dirt purpose made for cannabis that also came with some organic powders for roots and one for flower that I'll add when needed.
I've noticed that with the three Ive got going now that 2 are looking like they will be tall and need a top and training and 1 is looking like it'll be naturally bushy even though they supposed to all be blue dreams.... I'll post photo later.. so I might do something different on all 3 for shits and giggles and see what happens.
Yea nice, I'm down south, but have travelled around a bit and lived bout 45 mins from Byron bay for a couple of years working in the forests cutting down trees in a harvester inland from Coffs Harbour..? Tell you what, every 2nd area that we were working in id come across fenced off areas, man made little dams at the bottom of valleys with drip irrigation set ups, heaps of water and feet containers, full blown bush grows. We were warned by the forest owners NOT to interfere or call the authorities as other companies had had their machinery either fucked with or burnt because they were falling trees onto crops...
Did you happen to get out to Nimbin by any chance? Love that place, you should google it if you haven't heard of it, it's like your in a different country or even planet haha lived with some hippies there for a few months.Last edited by Wayzee; 05-25-2025, 09:33 PM.Comment
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Rootsruler this what I talking about with the one on the right looking like it going to be shorter and bushy maybe..?
They re ready for transplanting, gotta get over too many bourbons last night and then I might get it done. π₯΄
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They all look pretty healthy. I have 4 femmed White Widow x Sour Diesel seeds growing in my 5 x 5 on a ScrOG net. Originally one of the sprouts died on transplant so I had to germinate and try and grow another to replace it. So far it's about half the size as the others although one of the 3 that is left looks like it didn't like the transplant either as it seems a bit sickly. I think I also toxed it a bit. The other 2 healthy ones I gave a full shot of some synthetic ferts too along with the 3rd one and I think I overdid it a bit. After a couple of days I watered in a few liters of plain water to dilute the nutrition in the soil along with lowering the light intensity over that plant. It looks like it is slowly recovering. The leaves were starting to taco and were looking like they needed more calcium and magnesium so I've got a bottle of CALiMAGic on the way. I didn't think I would need it with as much calcium that we have in our tap but I guess it needs more. I'll post a picture of where they are at when the lights go on.
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Thanks, I'm just warming up some rainwater and then I'm gonna do final transplanting this Arvo π€it goes well. That organic powder I was talking about is root roids which is mycorrhizal fungi I'm going to put a little at the bottom of my hole and a little around the surface before watering in, think I got some kelp liquid too which is also supposed to help with shock and accelerates vegetative growth.. Hopefully yours bounce back and continue to power on.
One thing I noticed on the one I gave a little cal-mag too a couple of leaves now have whitish splotches on them, I'm thinking maybe too much calcium π³Comment
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Actually I find that letting the media dry up a bit sometimes will hold it together but usually if they are just slightly damp they'll stay together.
What I do to minimize the media from falling apart in my hands is to fill the cloth pot to the desired level where if I put my transfer pot on top of the media the soil line of the transfer pot should line up where I want it. I then side fill and gently pack the media. After the transfer pot is surrounded with packed media, I slide the transfer pot out, dust the hole with some Mykos then I lay the transfer pot next to the hole and try and slide the plant out of its transfer pot and into the hole in one swift move trying to minimize any crumbling. Keeping it close to the hole will allow the minimal amount of moves that will disturb the transfer pot media.
Some pics of where I'm at with my current grow...
Pics of the auto irrigate system I built for the tent.
I use the 5 gal bucket for feedings when I'm at home but if I have to leave I can use the larger reservoir for multi feedings up to 6 weeks. I use the larger reservoir as an overflow in case something leaks. I'm in the process of putting together a separate feed injector for calcium based products I use for the larger res. This will keep the calcium products from precipitating in the res with any phosphate or sulphate products I might use
I need to find a good wire rack to put on top of the tote rather than the wood so that if it leaks it'll drain back into the res.Last edited by Rootsruler; 05-26-2025, 10:42 PM.Comment
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Wow that's an awesome setup. Taped up clear hose.. I didn't tape mine up for my first RDWC didn't take long to go greenπ¬. I like how you have positioned your plants so that you can train them towards the centre. How old are they? Also that calcium feeder sounds like a good idea. -
I didn't have ready access to some black vinyl hose so I had to make do with what I had at the time. I had run it with just the clear hose but, as you already know, it greened up pretty quickly. The calcium injector will be for when I have to leave and keep nutes in the larger reservoir for a longer period. I can mix everything up and feed if I'm going to feed immediately but if it's going to be sitting in the tank for a while then I need to separate them.
The plants are in week 4. I anticipate enough screen coverage in the next 2 - 3 weeks before I flip. Not sure if I'm going to give them an extra week of veg to get a little more height on the verticals/colas that will be growing across the canopy. The last run I did I got a pretty consistent run of 8" colas across the canopy. I tried to time it for the stretch portion after flip so I flipped them leaving around 10"/25cm around the edges of the screen to let the stretch fill it in and not get them too tall but it would have been better to let them get almost to the edge and use the stretch portion to set all the verticals so that they are taller. I'm hoping for consistent 12" colas across the canopy. I have another stretch net that I can use as a trellis if they get a little too tall but I'm hoping the silicate I've been feeding them will thicken the branches enough to keep them from flopping over.
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Day 16-17 transplanted into final pots. The pics are what I used. Pretty happy looking root balls, I dialled down the ppfd to 270 to help them settle in then ill turn it back up to 300 tomorrow. Got another oil heater set up now as well so that should take care of this chilly weather, just have to go have a look at local hardware to find something to sit each pot on for maximum air flow and drainage.Comment
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Mmmm I'm lovin' it.
Not even 24 hours since transplant.Comment
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Looks like you have this in a closet or something?Comment
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So you are in a contained environment right? Not just out in the open like sitting on a coffee table in your living room. -
Yea it's contained, mostly insulated. 6 inch intake, although I also have a 3 inch intake that I'm running ATM so as it's not putting to much strain on the heaters and electricity, and the 6 inch extraction fan with a scrubber that I'll hook up when it gets stinky
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So 4 weeks since germination and day 8 in the big fabric pots and I'm not seeing much growth since the first little spurt π however they are starting their 6th lateral and looking healthy and green so I FIMmed 2 and stripped the first laterals off closest to the dirt so they can focus on the top growth. The third one has started to flower so Ive just tied it over a bit and will see what happens. I've also set up some pot saucers I drilled a few 10mm holes in for air to get to bottom of plants. Not too concerned about run off as I'm following Nebulas watering schedule for water only soil.
I'm up to 400ppfd and everything else is within spec so I'm hoping to see some vertical growth in the next few days π€πΎπ€πΎAttached FilesComment
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Mmmm I was afraid you were going to say that hahaha I have a portable AC unit in there but I'd have to rewire it to get it to switch on with a controller or timer.... I had a look online and I'm going to order a ink bird humidity controller today (bout $50 aud) then I can do what you were saying, have one running constantly and the other on the controller for topping up and I was going to plug another oscillating fan into the controller to try manage the humidity if it still gets to high.....
Another thing with the humidity high in the dark time I was thinking is what about when you growing outdoor and It gets up to 100%rh at night time... ?Last edited by Wayzee; 06-10-2025, 06:42 PM. -
If you are in 100% RH then your plants are probably under water! LOL!
It's not OMG DO IT NOW worry but dropping humi levels will greatly decrease rot from happening. The plants could very well go through their entire life in the conditions you have it in and it would be fine but rot will always be a constant threat if you leave it that high. I get that you're on a budget so just do the best you can at dropping humi levels at lights out. Maybe turn up the fan speed to move more humid air out and drier air in, asuming that your lung room has drier air. If you can't? No worries. Just keep an eagle eye on your plants to make sure no rot starts but if you are going to be doing this on a consistent basis, taking your areas humi levels into consideration, a dehu is going to become an essential piece of equipment for you. You just might have to bite the bullet and get one. Thankfully you aren't in the US where our dehu's are probably going to triple in price due to the Idiot in Chief.
BTW what are the dimensions of the room your plants are in? Are you closing up the pallet rack grow room or leaving it open like in the picture? Depending on how large the room is, a dehumidifier may not be all that expensive. I find them at 2nd hand stores all the time for almost nothing. Most people will buy them for a specific scenario. When that scenario is over it ends up collecting dust wherever they've stored it(much like treadmills but that's a whole other discussion) and will finally end up at the 2nd hand. Take a look at some of your local 2nd hand stores and see if you can find one for a good price. I've bought perfectly good, 1 gal res humidifiers for $5. I still have two that work perfectly fine. I don't use them because I have the ACI ones but if the ACI's break I have them as backups. -
Hahaha.. ok I'll keep an eye out for a second hand unit, that's how I came across the AC
I also use UV lights during budding which I think helps with eliminating mould... yea it's open like in the pics the room size is about 550 cubic feet..
Also I hope that if any one in LA that they're ok.
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So about 5 weeks in with these bonsai plants and after nearly loosing the lot and a few days of experimenting getting the environment better mucking around with the timer for air exchange fans, fan speeds and humidifier settings I have it set up to remain fairly consistent with temps ranging from 20Β°c with lights out up to 26Β°c by the afternoon and humidity staying around 50%. They are starting to get going now and bouncing back from their fimming and unplanned cold shock. I've started a bit of LST while the main stem still durable.
The mongrel that has started flowering is continuing to do so and I'm in two minds as to ripping it out and saving the soil or just letting it go and hopefully I get enough off it to cover the cost of the seed and the dirt it's growing in.
Still following Nebulas watering schedule and ppfd is about 480 on each plant.Last edited by Wayzee; 06-07-2025, 09:27 PM.Comment
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Yea I was shown it bout 18 yrs ago using pipe cleaners haha and have used it a few times (with proper ties) figured probably best way to go with these considering the slow growth I'm already experiencing. Nope, I reckon so... I have some gg X zkittles autos arriving next week that managed to make it through and I have a few more fabric pots so I'm thinking it's not too late I might put one of them in as well to boost overall yield, should have enough light coverage π€πΎ
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Did I F my FIM?
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LOL! Literally the name answers your question....
FIM. Fuck I Missed.
This came about when people were trying to top their plants and didn't take as much as they should have but saw great results because of it.
In my experience, FIMming is less stressful and is faster in regard to recovery. Maybe they think they're FIMming but are actually topping?Comment
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