Looing for advice on these girls...

[HowieedGrows]

So, basically a first time grower. I did grow my first plant this past spring/summer, however it turned out to be a male, and was terminated, ironically by the largest swarm of bumblebees I've ever seen. Anyway, I got seeds and started an indoor grow. I planted a photoperiod and two different strains of autoflowers. Having read not to use time-release fertilized soil on the autos, I chose the Kellogg Container soil blend for them. As evidenced by the pictures, they did not do well at all, having stunted growth. I mixed the soil with the same fertilized stuff I'm using for the photos and replanted. They came to life, but already being about 6 to 8 weeks in, this is as big as they got. It's clear they have gone into flower at this point. My questions; should I try harvesting the buds on these or is it a waste of time? Also, how do I know when they are ready to harvest? Thanks for any help/advice. FYI, I have planted identical seeds for both strains and those are thriving.

[dirtymike]

It is reverting back to its vegetative state. Is growing weed easy?

[Bluey]

Pics 1,3 & 4 show a definite reveg. You should be on a light schedule of roughly 18/6 for autos throughout the grow and for photoperiods you want to keep in veg then a flip to 12/12 for photos to commence the flowering stage.

If you haven't changed the lighting schedule check if you have an analogue timer...they have been known to frequently malfunction.

[HowieedGrows]

The light schedule has been/remains 18/6 since germination. I do have new plants of the same strains in the same soil that are thriving, although growing tall instead of bushing out. Here's where I seem to struggle: How do you identify these as going back into veg state? What are the indicators? I hear about leaf tucking, but have no idea how or why to do it. When they seemed to be stunted, I planted new and figured there was nothing to gain by killing these, so I've let them continue and see what happens. Wondering if I should start a Bonsai Cannabis business... Thanks!

[Rwise]

From the Plant Problems area

https://www.growweedeasy.com/cannabis-plant-problems/accidental-re-vegging

[Bluey]

You appear to have two photoperiod as they have revegged and one auto.

I am no auto expert but if an auto goes from flower back to veg stage I'd say that's now a photoperiod and no longer an auto.

Your photoperiods at some point have flowered and then gone back to veg stage because of the lighting. Light leaks will do that. They need 12hrs of uninterrupted darkness to stay in flower which they haven't got.

If you look over at the left hand side at the top of the page there is a green bar with a drop down menu in it. Have a read. Don't stop. Everything you need is there. Something you don't understand by all means ask but read first.

[HowieedGrows]

You appear to have two photoperiod as they have revegged and one auto.

I am no auto expert but if an auto goes from flower back to veg stage I'd say that's now a photoperiod and no longer an auto.

Your photoperiods at some point have flowered and then gone back to veg stage because of the lighting. Light leaks will do that. They need 12hrs of uninterrupted darkness to stay in flower which they haven't got.

If you look over at the left hand side at the top of the page there is a green bar with a drop down menu in it. Have a read. Don't stop. Everything you need is there. Something you don't understand by all means ask but read first.

Sorry, Bluey, but if one doesn't know something they should not provide info/advice that is not helpful or is inaccurate. First, I went through multiple sources including the green tab you referenced looking for answers before joining and posting here. There are only two plants in the four pics provided, not three as you indicate. From everything I've seen, it appears to be a massive effort to get an auto to reveg, if it can even be done. Also, there is no information indicating a reveged auto is now a photo. The seeds were advertised as autoflower and I believe the provider knows their product well. Those are also two different strains from the same supplier, so unlikely they are both not as advertised. Further, there are no complaints or issues found anywhere that indicate the seeds are not as advertised. Looking at the photos provided, these look to have the trichomes, etc. to be going into flower and forming buds, although small due to the plants only being 6" and 12" tall respectively. Ultimately, there are no photoperiods in the pictures and my request was should these continue to form buds as they appear to be doing, will they be of any use coming from a dwarfed plant, and how will I know when to harvest them if at all. Thanks

[dirtymike]

The answer to all the questions i have heard so far are in the tutorials on the main page of "Growweedeasy". Reading is fundamental.

[dirtymike]

Sorry HowieedGrows, but if one doesn't know something they should not provide info/advice that is not helpful or is inaccurate. Being a Dick don't help either.

[Bluey]

As I stated the pics showing reveg are not autos, they are photoperiod plants because autos don't reveg. If they do reveg then they are photoperiods. They are photoperiod now by definition.
So when you say there are no photoperiod plants in the pic, regardless of how awesome the breeder is who supplied the seeds, there are. They have responded to the light as photoperiods do, not as autos do. That stands to reason.

Everything you need to know is via that menu button including how to grow decent plants, how to tell when a plant has revegged and even when to harvest. I have attached a pic below with red circles around what to click on.

I'm sorry I can't help with much more than that as I've never grown a plant that small with such small flowers that, additionally, has re-vegged, so I really couldn't advise you on what to do next.

[dirtymike]

leer un libro requiere menos esfuerzo, mi Amigo

[Rwise]

The confusion starts with your first post when you tell us there are 3 plants, 1 photo and 2 autos and give us 4 pics.
My guess is pics 1, 3, and 4 are the same plant (tip water in a circle outside the leaf span of the plant to encourage root growth). Autos do not reveg, I have had autos this small but they were clones (I had to try it) taken just before flowering started.
We need much more info then we have been given.
PH?
RH?
Lights?
Watering schedule?
Tap water? Well water? Rain water? RO etc..?
Feeding schedule?
Timer?
etc..
Without the info we need, my guess would be root issues.
I have never seen bumble bees kill a plant, they may have gathered some pollen from him. My guess here would be he died of old age, he shot his wad and passed on.

[Rwise]

As for what to do, pull them and toss them or continue for the experience, they will not make much as they are nearing end of life.

[HowieedGrows]

Thanks Rwise, I can see how that might be slightly confusing and I should have clarified that the photo is doing extremely well and not in the pictures. Intent was 2 pics of each auto at different angles but realized that there were 3 of 1 and 1 of the other. However it is also fairly evident, as you point out that the identicles make it clear these are 3 pics of the same plant. Again, the issue is solely with the autos, not the photo and the only difference between them from start to present was the initial soil used. Again, when they were stunted while the photo was thriving, I changed their soil because it was/is the ONLY thing different from the photoperiods which are thriving. All were germinated/planted in mid-November so were about 12-weeks in now. After changing the soil, these guys came to life, but are still small and I'm assuming the growth I'm seeing is them going into flower. PH is adjusted to 6.5 to 7; RH obviously was adjusted from around 80% at seeding to 45% to 50% now, Digital electronic timer with LED lights set for 18 on/6 off since seeding in a 4' x 4' grow tent. Watered as needed based upon a moisture meter reading with tap water treated with H Peroxide then with bottled nutes. Feeding is every watering. To be clear, I already know why these ladies are stunted, and it's purely the initial soil used for them as indicated in my OP. Also, I never asked what happened/done wrong, etc. My only question was these autos are now about 12-weeks in and appear to have gone to flower, will the buds actually develop fully, is it worthwhile to harvest them, or are they worthless.
On another note, the photos have been moved to their own area as they are too big for the tent and are about 4' tall by almost 3' wide. I planted another pair of the exact seeds as in the pictures about 4-weeks ago and they are now well over 2' tall and thriving, so I know it was the soil. Thanks again!

[Rwise]

What does the breeder say as to finish time, some autos can finish in as little as 56 days, another may take 90 days while others will take 120 days. Transplanting them may have set them back a little so they could take 2 weeks more (recovery time), and most go up to 2 weeks longer than the breeder tells you. The shorter grow times start to flower at 3 weeks old while that 120+ day would start at about 5-8 weeks in.
I myself would let them finish, you may get a nice surprise from them. Only you can decide if its worth the investment (time and electricity) to continue.
Try to hold the PH between 6.5 and 6.8 while in flower.
How about a pic of the photo!?

[dirtymike]

Let's have a gander at those 4 footers in the other tent. Yippie kay yea.

[HowieedGrows]

So these are the photoperiods, planted about 2-weeks apart and the pic is almost 2-weeks old. It's a makeshift tent/hastily built 'room' slightly larger than 6' x 5', potted in 18-gallon totes. For what it's worth, I'm doing all my autos in 5-gallon fabric pots going forward and these totes actually seem to be working well. For indoor growing, I think they give the roots a decent amount of room to spread out. From what I've seen, Cannabis seems to favor a wide but shallow root ball, so at 14" deep x 18" x 24", the ladies should have a decent dance floor without to large a footprint. A closer look shows the one on the right has been topped and the top has been cloned. She was pretty droopy at first, especially being about a foot tall, but I've stumbled upon a cloning method that seems to work pretty well so she's already perked up and looks like she'll be just fine. I'm going to top the other one today and clone it as well. The one on the right is Cookies Gelato and the left is O.G. Kush. I'll see about fresh pics when I feed them this morning.

[Bluey]

Cannabis roots do grow deep, to about 3 foot deep. Some hemp varieties, sativas, a bit more.

If you imagine flipping the plant upside down and picturing that as the roots that sort of how the root system looks. I think it's called pyramidal or something like that. They don't spread out very far.

They are a great choice to grow for many farmers as part of a crop rotation plan in part because of the depth.

[dirtymike]

Gibberellin

[HowieedGrows]

I hear what you're saying, so here's my theory combined with what I've read about the subject on Cannabis roots: They appear to grow to their environment (Sure this is common for all rooted plants.), so having a more shallow, yet wide 'pot' helps the plant grow more wide faster than tall. This lends itself to indoor growing as a 2' to 3' depth pot would steal area for height. It is said a wider plant will produce more colas so the harvest is larger. Also, personal experience example here. I received my first seedling from a friend who had acquired 3. There were 2 marked as the same strain and a 3rd was different, so I chose one of the 2 similar plants. I potted mine into a 20" deep x 20" diameter pot outdoors. (This turned out to be the male I referenced in my OP, so besides learning a bunch, I saved his 2 girls from being seed plants instead of weed plants.) Anyway, he had a plant from about a 6 weeks earlier than these 3, that he put into a 15" x 15" pot. The 2 remaining girls were planted in the ground. Here's what I/we observed. When I pulled the dead male from the pot, it was about 5' tall and about 2' in diameter. The roots were only about 6" deep, but well over a foot in diameter. Friend's potted plant also grew very tall, but only a bit wider than the pot diameter and it's roots were also large diameter, but shallow. In neither case did these grow anywhere near as deep as they could have. The 2 planted in the ground both fell over due to their weight and high winds (Guessing.) Again, while they plants grew large and bushy but not very tall, their roots were wide, but shallow. Too shallow to support their heft once they went to flower it seems. Anyway, that's what I know. FYI, the strains were aptly named 'I fell over and I fell over 2'. I wonder if the strain has any bearing on the root structure. I'm also speculating that those farmers are growing Hemp, not true Cannabis (For a number of reasons, obviously.), which is actually a different, but similar plant? I remember the first time in rural Illinois farmland and stumbling across a huge crop of Hemp, not knowing that's what it was. I thought I'd stumbled on a goldmine, only to be told 'It ain't that kind of weed, LOL!'

[dirtymike]

Only one problem with a theory it that it is just a theory.

[dirtymike]

Manifiesto?

[Rwise]

Sounds like the soil was to hot for the roots to grow into, or lacking in the things needed to grow roots. My plants grow deep into the soil filling the entire pot, or in the garden at least 3 feet deep. The Colombian I grew a couple of years ago broke at the ground rather than lean over from lack of roots (85+ mph wind)

[dirtymike]

85 MPH winds seems to bend trees very well. The ones above 5 foot for sure.

[Rwise]

I had several 30+ foot tall trees (oaks, black jacks, and hickory) blown over, most had some root issues.

[Rwise]

Several cotton woods as well, but they are not deep rooted.

[dirtymike]

How's them Five doing, got the gabirillans under control. Ain't growing weed easy.