Bad seeds or lack of patience

[NewANDlearning]

I have old seeds, not sure how old but lots of them. Trying to germinate and having issues. Not sure if I am not being patient enough or having seed issues. What I have tried in groups of 4:
1: soaking for 24-48 hours then to hydro set up with 4 hr lights for germ approx 10 days ago, nada
2: soaking in tap for 24 -48 then to paper towel
3: soaking in purified H2O with peroxide for 24-48 hrs then to paper towel
4: soaking in purified for 4 days.
Some posts say not to not soak more then 32 hrs while others say soak until tap root. I did see 1 article in high times that says it can take 3 days to 3 weeks. Thats the only thing I saw that went up to 3 weeks. Almost all seeds have sunk to bottom (all but 1). Some of them were stored in fridge while others in house in air tight jar in dark. Also saw a couple that seemed to develop small air bubble at Tip. Still nada. Any thoughts? Please and thanks

[Blowdout2269]

Why a second post?
I think you will get the answers you seek from starting only one topic.

[NewANDlearning]

Oh, it posted 2x. I couldn't find it the 1st time. Thanks for the heads up- can't find delete. Original post is bad seeds or lack of patience

[PRIMO]

Throw a handful inna wet paper towel fold it over, seal it inna zip-loc bag and put it someplace warm. If that doesn't work, buy some new ones.

[golfnrl]

https://www.growweedeasy.com/germinate/

give this a look. May help.

[NewANDlearning]

That is what got me to this point. 😀 now i am trying to figure out if what i am doing is not working or i am not being patient enough. All I've read indicates 2-3 days and the seeds in the direct hydro are 10 days old germ. Appreciate the feedback.

[Blowdout2269]

There is really no set time. Older seeds will generally take longer. But if a seed doesn't sprout in my paper towel within three to five days, I sure as hell don't just throw it out. I've left bunches of seeds in a damp paper towel for weeks!

[ponzi314]

Just curious, why do people germinate in paper towel? Ive been just placing in the soil, mind you im only on my second grow but i havent had any failures.

[NewANDlearning]

In my case, preparing for hydro so put in soil not a good plan. What do I know, I'm NewANDLearning.

[AGH]

That's a very good question ponzi!

People do paper towel because that way, you can make sure the seed is germinating. In a paper towel, you can see when the taproot pops out and you know it's a viable seed but in soil you don't know until it pops above the soil...or doesn't. You can also make sure that it's nice and moist as well as warm. You can do this in soil as well, but not as easily.

I personally don't use a paper towel. I soak the seeds in room temp water (no pH-ing, no fancy spells cast, nothing added, just plain old tap water) for about 24-36 hours. 90% of the time, a taproot will show in that amount of time (take it out as soon as the taproot pops out) and the other 10% of the time, the seed is at least open demonstrating that the seed is viable. The moisture (both in the paper towel method and the glass of water method) help soften the shell to make it a little easier for the taproot to pop out which is another thing that soil doesn't do as good of a job at.

Of course, in the wild, seeds go right into the ground and cannabis has been doing its thing for thousands of years and works well! As growers though, we like to help the process along and create even more ideal conditions for success. Just like a reese's cup, there's no wrong way to do it as long as in the end you've got a happy, healthy plant and are having fun!

[doxiedaddy69]

Hey everyone, I was just reading the post about how some of you germinate your seeds I was wondering does anybody use a scruff box I found that very helpful for older seeds. All I did was take a piece of sandpaper cut it to size to fit inside of a pill bottle, put the seeds in there shake them for a little while to take the waxy coating off the seed and that seems to help them germinate? I read about it online so I do not want to take credit for someone else’s invention!

[3Berries]

I use to grow the blue morning glories every year and you had to file down the seed a bit to get them to sprout. The farmers use to blame me for all the morning glory weeds but they were never blue ones.

[Going2fast]

Heavenly blue🙃

[3Berries]

At the time the south side of my house was like a solar collector and really heated it up in the summer. I strung up string every year and made a trellis out of it for them to climb. Worked great as they usually got up to the roof by summers end.

[NewANDlearning]

Having a hard time figuring out post/ reply on this site. THANKS for feedback.
UPDATE: BEST RESULTS
1. Warm tap water with H2O2 NO MORE THEN 24 HRS
2. 6 of 10 germed in damp papertowel ( my papertowel was light wet)
3. no more than 5 days til taproot
seeds were >10 yrs old