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    SOIL Disabled, senior female noob > LEDs. Have many questions, made mistakes, need advice

    Hi, I started this with a 'partner' now I'm flying solo. I didn't train or cut tops. Three dispensary seeds from Mag Landrace were started in Aero-Garden, each about a week apart. The first, best seed was in the middle, got most of the light. I had to transplant to peat pots and used the A-G lights until my panel arrived and the 2x6x8 bedroom closet was clean and ready. My light panel's rod is getting close to the ceiling, I've started to remove fan leaves. I used Recharge last week. Using Cal-Mag and fish emulsion for nutes, sometimes via foliar spraying. Soil is 2/3 organic gardening mix and 1/3 perlite, I put a few inches of perlite in the bottom of the pots before transplanting and moving to the closet on Memorial Day weekend. I bought a King Plus 1200W panel, using three fluorescent tubes, a hanging LED grow bulb, another hanging grow bulb and a clip-on light with CFL bulb. Using a tower fan, just bought a clip-on fan but not sure where to aim it? I'm just starting to pH my water (I know, I know). The bigger middle plant has yellowing leaves and I accidentally broke off the top while trying to bend it. I need to get ready to 12/12 soon, please Any and All advice is welcomed. Do I remove all the lightweight stems and compost them? Should I clone some before 12/12? How often to use Recharge? Flushing advice? My closet temp stays around 70 degrees, RH 35-45, depending on watering day & lights on/off. I have another, smaller, bedroom closet to use if needed. I plan to buy a small humidifier, do I need another LED panel? I haven't been using the red lights for a few weeks so that they get more light when flowering. I plan to use GH Bloom when in flowering mode. And I know that free Dispensary seed can morph. This is one of my go-to strains, 5th year of med card. (I fell and got a concussion, doing my best to finish this grow on my own, MMJ is bankrupting me.) TY TY!

    #2
    How old are the plants? Can you tell me more about your lighting? Watts?
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    • Mr.furley
      Mr.furley commented
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      No problem, we anit in a hurry round these parts most the time.

      Your specs on the Led light are 243 actual watt and with the others you probably have another 160 to 200w. How much vertical space do you have left to use? And what Sq footage do you have under the lights?

      We'll get to the deficiencies in lower growth next, I just what to see about over crowding first.

    • Puglover1
      Puglover1 commented
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      I have a stronger rod on the way, going to order another LED panel tonight. I figured including everything I'll only have safely 20 inches between ceiling/lights and top of the middle plant. Eek.

    • Mr.furley
      Mr.furley commented
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      If it was my plant I wouldn't flip to 12/12 for two weeks.

      There is no doubt from looking at your pictures and what you are telling me you do not have the vertical space for the plants to double or even triple in size and they will!

      Adding a second light to your grow from the pictures (I still don't know the size of the box? Sqft) will definitely increase your yield in the end and I highly recommend this.

      If it was my plant I would top them on the main steam about half way down, cutting your plants back will give you the room you are lacking, options for training you don't have right now and waiting to flip two weeks will give you time to get the new light, fix the sick plants(you should never flower a plant that is having problems) and for them to recover from the topping.

      Truthfully the plants should have been flip to flower after 6 to 8 weeks from germination and have been allowed to veg to long for the space and lighting you have. By cutting them back and adding a light you can save the outgrowing headache you're facing and create a flat canopy with room to stretch for flowering. I'll post a picture below of where I'd top the main stem.

      How about we talk about the leaf discoloration.

      What size pots do you have and what is your pH of the water you give them?

      At this age in veg you should have preflower for sexing your plants, have you looked?
      Last edited by Mr.furley; 08-06-2020, 06:10 AM.

    #3
    i would get lights use the cfl light for seeds and clones take clones before 1212 switch put them in your other closet under cfl light need them on a diffrent light cycle 18 6 move plants around so they all get some of the strong light remove the stuff from bottom that is not getting light the fan point it at plants dont want to be swaying just fluttering not sure what u mean red but if it stronger light put on has middle plant got nitrogen deficience dont take off to many fan leaves just yellow ones then any blocking bud sites if u cant move them when u switch hope this helps i meant stronger lights keep led just keep rest for other stuff mentioned

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    • Puglover1
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      Hi, that same LED panel is $50 cheaper today. Should I use two of those for the three plants? I can move them around, I had the end plants on top of something until they both almost caught up in height to the middle. Remove via scissors all the 'fuzzy' growth and small shoots on the bottoms now? The tower fan is always on, I just bought that white clip fan on the shelf, just barely point it downward? I had the panel on full light but turned off the bloom/flower mode ~ 2 weeks ago. The plant was getting too close to it, little bit of heat burn that I caught early. After moving the rod higher I just left it off so it'd get more after 12/12 switch. That middle plant always seems to have leaf yellowing or some leaf issue. I give them all Cal-Mag + fish emulsion, started at 1/2 strength increased to full. The two side plants look pretty green. Do red stems on the biggest/oldest fan leaves mean anything? I've been taking off fans that are touching or blocking, I turn the pots regularly. Is there a reason/benefit in force flowering some clones? Thnx!

    #4
    Puglover1 My hands go out to you wish i could help you trim up your plants they are wild right now. But it can be done i'd like to here how old they are also. These are females have they showed sex yet they will after the switch. I would take inside center smaller tiny stems out 1/2 with all plants now and let it rest then do it again in couple days. It will make the main branches harder/tougher. I'd like you to catch a hail mary with you grow but you got to move them around for each getting enough light under that LED. Those old yellow leave remove. Start there take your time.
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    1 3x3x6 tent- seedlings veg t-5, CFL 54watt w/reflector for clone station. And 2 viparspectar 450r for veg. lights do to poor build with drivers bloom lights go out so no flowering.

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    • Puglover1
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      Hi! I started from seed about a week apart (don't ask) sometime in April, lets call it 4/20. They've been in these pots and the closet since Memorial Day weekend so two months of veg, in there. That panel is $50 cheaper today, I might have to just buy (charge) a second panel. I had the two end plants elevated until they caught up in height so I wasn't moving them around, I could now. I turn them daily, remove dead leaves, the yellows too if they don't fall off by touch. Do I just throw away the smaller stems/shoots? I know there are too many. What location should I choose on the plant if I want to clone some? No sign of sex yet, I had a bag-seed grow in that closet 25 yrs ago, all fluorescent lighting, 13 seeds, 12 were females. I've been trimming off fan leaves for a week or so, little at a time. These photos are a week old, sorry. Thank you!!

    #5
    i would get another led the red or is it purple could be amagnesium defience or the genetics of the strain

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      #6
      hang them bulbs further down angle them to face plant further down if there not pentrating

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        #7
        What you have accomplished with your grow so far is admirable. You have done better than many growers and all of their whiz-bang toys and do-hickeys. If you're getting that kind of growth with the lights you have I would say it is adequate.My only concern is that you are in serious danger of outgrowing your environment. My suggestion to you would be to flip just as fast as you can because you will still encounter significant growth. If you are going to take some clones and have a separate grow area you should go soon. Because you have a fairly wild grow going, trimming will be a bit confusing and haphazard. That's okay. Once you begin flower they will pretty much show you where to cut and you should end up with a sizable harvest. I am impressed with what you have managed with little more than tape, wire, sealing wax and determination. Keep us posted.

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        • Puglover1
          Puglover1 commented
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          Thanks, I shall. I wasn't supposed to be doing this alone, and post-concussion, but is what it is. I have a heavier rod on the way, going to order another LED panel. I am afraid of the height issue more than anything, the middle plant. I knew to pinch it early on to split it but, life happened. I learned the basics from my 1979 grow 'bible', pre-LED. Poor person's method but if I can save dispensary $$ I can do better growing and cooking. I'm only going to have 20-22 inches between top of plant now and the rod up to the ceiling to hold the panels. Will that work? I want to clean them up and flip soon. Thanks again.

        #8
        If you decide to go this way I would top them main stem (red lines) and start using LST to tie down any side branches horizontally into free space below the topping, try to keep it level. I would suggest to remove all the leafs below the blue line, they are doing you no good.

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          #9
          Originally posted by Mr.furley View Post
          If you decide to go this way I would top them main stem (red lines) and start using LST to tie down any side branches horizontally into free space below the topping, try to keep it level. I would suggest to remove all the leafs below the blue line, they are doing you no good.

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          So cut the main stems but leave the side shoots to tie down, versus cutting them all off flat, like trimming outdoor bushes? Remove leaves And side shoots at the blue line?? I don't know the volume of the pots, they're 14" dia x 11" high. The closet is 2' deep x 5' long (usable space, not incl fans, water/rock tray for humidity, and tube fixtures) and 8' high. I can remove a shelf if it alters the lighting, 2nd panel was ordered last night. The pH, still have to get back to you on that. They need watering/feeding tonight or in the morning, I used Recharge once two weeks ago, should I use that again and if so, when? Or should I flush? I have a pH and TDS-EC meter. They definitely vegged too long, long story. Here are a few more photos from today: Possible pre-flower? Some leaves don't look good, most are on the oldest, middle plant. Only time I ever saw a bug it looked like a dead fly and the cat ate it. I have Dr Doom here if needed. TYSVM

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          • Mr.furley
            Mr.furley commented
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            Correct lcut just the main stem, leave the side branches, you can take them later if need just find a way to start to get them horizontal into open space. You have 10 sqft of light footprint and a good rule of thumb is 50 to 70 watts per sqft. So the extar light will work well as long as you keep the canopy from getting out of hand.

            Untill you get a idea of the Ph let's just remove that lower Leaf only not the lower branches if they are reaching the mid to upper section below the red line, small one yes. Feel free the remove sick looking leaf, it will tell you later if the plant getting better or worse.

            Your doing great and this is going to be worth the time you have invested.

          #10
          I switched the corner plants' location/corners. Pulled them out to get a good look at their sizes. I have to re-read the tips for tying down. Two of the plants have stronger stems than the third one. I know there's more material to remove but I want to get started on training. I bought coated wire and the green adjustable zip-ties. Accepting advise on best way to proceed, while I read. Today's photos -

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            #11
            Puglover1

            Drill holes all around just below the pot rim and put a zip tie there to anchor to, a couple of sticks laying horizontal on top of the pot overhanging will give you reach, tie branches to branches.....

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            think of the blue line as a tabletop and you what to keep all the branches like the ones with the red line at that level, pull them down slowly, a little at a time, This will need to continue into flowering for a bit. Read up on super cropping
            https://www.growweedeasy.com/cannabis-plant-training


            Do you have a indoor gardening shop for nutrients supplies?

            Your Leafs look a good color of green that I can see, some tips burn and I'm assuming this is on the upper part of the plant? I can see some pale , yellow, brown leaf, on the lower plant and I'm think that this is from the plant not getting light a common problem with bigger, tall plant and not enough light reaching it with all that leaf it had. Some of this can be a pH issue have you got any readings?

            The plant will take any mobile nutrient it can from those leafs down low so for now don't remove any more leaf from the plants, you can do another defoliating in two weeks.
            Last edited by Mr.furley; 08-14-2020, 01:39 PM.
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              #12
              Hi, thanks. Busy w/post-storm issues. I fed them fully and they looked good. I've read the training links many times, I've hand-flattened/bent to see what I've got, more pliable than expected. The new rod and both LED panels are hung, need to adjust them, but, should I remove the bottom shelf, will it distort light when both panels are above the shelf? Should I remove the fluorescent fixtures standing in the R corner? I got the Twisty Ties, and I can use an ice pick to make holes in the pot lips (injured R hand/drill). I do not have an indoor garden shop, I get growing supplies from Amazon/prime, other than Epsom salt, fish emulsion and the like. Should I keep temp/RH gauge up on a shelf or low on the floor? Lastly, for now, where is the best spot to attach the ties, meaning I know not by the main stem but how far from it or how far from the tips? Depends on where I can anchor them, or nah? I understand the sticks thing. It's going to be like a puzzle with all 3 in there but I'm good at 'fitting' things in spaces. (weak photo, sorry, I have to use a step stool to reach above the plants now. I need to put supplies in a crate on the floor, try not to bump the panels much)
              Last edited by Puglover1; 08-18-2020, 06:14 AM.

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              • Mr.furley
                Mr.furley commented
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                I would remove the shelf as you are going to still fill the closest and don't want to block the light when the lights go higher, the one in the corner is probably ok to stay,. Temperature and humidity should be monitor at the top of the canopy, and tie to the second set of Nodes back from the tip of the branch.

                It's time to flip your lights to 12/12 for flower, once you do that, do not disturb their dark cycle and start watching clothes for female preflower. At the age your plant are they should be showing already.

                https://www.growweedeasy.com/preflowers

              #13
              Thank you. Should I order GH Bloom now? Do you think I'll need a quart or larger? Here is a close up yesterday, any pre-flowers? After a dr appt today I'll have a day for the plants.

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              • SoOrbudgal
                SoOrbudgal commented
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                I don't see any pre flower but once you flip to 12/12 it will be evident quick like Mr.furley said. If that's the bloom food you want to use order it and take it easy good luck at Dr. appt.

              #14
              Thank you. I'm open to feeding suggestions. I wait until things are needed because of Prime delivery. That was saved on my wishlist but I've never bought GH products before, just word of mouth, and everything evolves. What do you use? Sorry, I just got home, hopped on the laptop or I'd go looking for the answer to that question.

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              • Mr.furley
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                Get the trio
                General Hydroponics Flora Grow, Bloom, Micro Combo Fertilizer set, 1 quarts each
                Or fox farm Trio grow big, big bloom And Tigar bloom.

              #15
              I ordered the GH trio, and a thick, black, long shower curtain to hang over the closet door light cracks. Where I cut the plant tops and hand bent, for now, are those new shoots on top good to use for clones? I want to put clones in the Aero-Garden to start, the seeds germinated well in it. Thanks!

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              • Mr.furley
                Mr.furley commented
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                Pick any 5 to 6 inch branch that is soft, preferably lower/middle on the plant, lower branches can root faster but you can take some off the top.

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