Grafting Marijuana -Multiple Strains One Mother Plant

[mcruderalis]

OK,it's winter the vegetable seeds catalogs are pileing up.This is when you sit in front of the fireplace(wish I had one) And feed your outside growing addiction with your wish seed catalogs.
I usually go straight to grafted tomatoe plants and try and get on the live"grafted " tomatoe plants.Where an exceptional plant with good roots is grafted to a good fruit bearing strain resulting in a plant better than both strains individually.

Did a grafting search .My villiage idiot of a computer took me to a list of sites (my computer must think I smoke and grow pot)

It took me to sites like ' grafting tomatoes with canabis',,,'multiple strains one mother plant',,' grafting a hops plant to a cannabis plant' ,,,'grafting a fruit tree to a marijuana plant,('Which Only Showed the person Trying It And was never heard from again.)

I think my computers messing with me, I hope she knows she only a payday or two from me tradeing her in for a younger,trimmer 'lap'top.model,,
It even took me to a National Geographi Site with 40 fuits grafted to one tree.
That's what I need on my 2.5 acres ,,,,one fruit tree,,,,so I have more room to grow pot plants.

So if your not into tomatoes or bell peppers,,,then put your feet up in front of the fire and do a search on marijuana grafting/multiple strains. (Keep trying you'll get there)

It will get your brain cell to fireing and take you down't the rabbit hole with Alice.

Take some of it with a grain of salt,,but I have heard over the years about it,,,and most of it's valid.It's been over 10 years since I heard abut hops and cannabis grafts.

Apparantly it's for a mother tree for cloneing only with concerns of genetic drift.Where different strains might be influence each and grafter said no not in the veg.state but possibley in the flowering state.

Down the rabbit hole I go !!!! A flowering plant with multiple strains,,,pink,,,blues,,,purples ,,,,northern lights colors!!!

Green get your grafting grow on !

This isn't really a topic for replys unless you find an exceptional site about it. When you go down the rabbit hole,say hi to the door mouse for me!
"Remember What The Door Mouse Said,,,FEED YOUR HEAD !!!!!

( the younger members on here are going to blow all of us old timers away with what will be possible in the future."just food for thought"

[South Sierra Dude]

Maybe I don't understand grafting but wouldn't the idea be to treat the plant as a perennial and reveg the grafted stems every year/cycle?

[South Sierra Dude]

Oh I see its a way to keep clones alive longer.

[PigSquishy]

Grafting is a way you can have one Mother plant who is White Widow, then you graft on Northern Lights, Purple Haze, etc... Now from the main truck where you grafted Purple Haze all the side branches from that main Purple Haze stem you grafted on will all be Purple Haze you can now grab for clones. The theory is that one plant will allow you to graft on another strain of it, kind of like getting another person's limb sewn onto you. YouTube has plenty of videos on this, its great for those who are limited by plant count, but still want to be able to grow muliple strains at any given time from a mother plant.

[mcruderalis]

I saw so many sites mostly just skimmed. But apparently one person uses his tie downs to label that graft (strain) keeping it in the veg.state.Takeing clones from that branch and giving you that strain.One site was trying 15 strain!!! I know DNA breeder mentions one of it's strains was crossed with a mother plant kept for over 20 years in Las Vegas. Some of the GWE have blown me away on they're manifolding and perfect canopy for flowering.Imagine a veg canopy with several strains topping and fiming for more clones.
Apparantly there are concerns of mixing strain during flowering.Yet the guy who mixed 40 fruit strains on one tree & noticed at a certain time of year have the tree looked dead and the other half looked healthy.So by arranging his graft in a way the tree had leaves all aroung all the time.The leaves were all different according to they're fruit.One cannabis grafting site tried to claim/show a indica leaf formation different from the mother plant.Who knows?I'm years from even trying it.Have only grown one plant with seeds and was from a bad times and during the shuffle labels were lost I'm not sure of the mother but the father was a alcapulco gold( his wife a female died young before reproducing.) You know as much as me on this grafting thing

[Weasel]

So - I wasn't sure from reading the post- are you working on grafting some plants McR? If so how are they going ?
I grafted a Blueberry branch on to a Thai sativa once. It's something I'd like to try again, for fun. Seems surprising hard for me to find a few strains in my grow,at the same rough age, with the same dietary needs and flowering time though. Amd it takes up a bit of time and space in the grow. Mostly I haven't gotten around to doing it again because I keep forgetting. Thanks for the reminder I'll put it back on my to-do list.

[mcruderalis]

No haven't tried grafting, it was interesting and wanted to share it and maybe motivate others or at least open all the possibiltie of growing cannabis.You should take over the topic with your experience.I never thought of the nutrient needs of each strain not being capatable with each other.See? You've raised my awareness already and made me think.That was the purpose of this topic

[Weasel]

My experience is very limited. I tried a bunch of different methods. The one that worked for me in the end was to make a cut in the limb of each plant- in opposing directions - about 3/4 of the way through the stem. Then I slipped the cut limbs together and fixed them in place. After a couple weeks they'd grown together and I cut the Blueberry plant free and left its branch on the Thai plant.
What happened in the end was...
Well- all was growing well and the graft was an obvious success, till one day I was thrashing around in there doing something and accidentally ripped the BB graft off. When I'd cut it free there was a sort of spur shape sticking out from the remaining branch stem. I'd meant to wrap it up because it was always catching on things. Forgot- and it caught on something.
I always meant to go right back to trying it again but never got around to it. Using this method is a bit of a pain because it means having two or more veg plants locked together for weeks- feels claustrophobic after a while.

[mcruderalis]

May try it on f.ducks since I'll have a surplus of them.
Most growers here seem to grow from seed starting manifolding,, topping,,fiming as early as possible & takeing them towards flowering & harvest in an amazeing amount of time.

I'm trying to grow a 2 meter(meter is that right?) at least 6 ft high which will make it to my 2.5 acres blended in with my oleanders and elm trees that I have in pots growing now,
So what if we grafted a feminized / STS male from another plant(it wouldn't be inbred like doing one branch.Then isolate it and let it do it's thing.It's looking like my f.ducks are best at 10 to 12 weeks (not commercially viable from long flowering) Which most likely is why DrGreenspoon fell by the wayside with it' 100 plus days of flowering.
Maybe graft a fast flowering male to a slow flowering female so they both mature at flowering/pollinateing time

[Weasel]

Not sure I got all that.
I wouldn't go to the effort of grafting a male on to a female- when all it takes is a few seconds with a flowering male, to pollinate the girl, then you can toss out the male. A tiny male can fully pollinate a huge female- but I can't see a reason to graft it on when you could just grow it separately.
Grafting an annual plant like camnabis has limited use. Mostly it's a cool novelty. In theory, for places where it's an issue, you could get your plant count down to one plant while still having multiple strains, or you could have one mother plant supplying cuttings for clones of several different strains. In reality I think the first reason is the best one. If cannabis was a perennial it would be different.
I'm not sure why Dr Grinspoon hasn't been in production lately. True that most people seem to think more than ten weeks flowering is 'long'. I don't seem to have anything that flowers in less than ten weeks at the shortest. There are many good sativa strains out there- just not many in the big seedbanks. I guess people just like fast, and big, more than they like slow, fluffy, and gangly. Plus lots of people seem to like the indica high and find it stronger because it's more flattening.

[mcruderalis]

Afterthought : live grafted tomatoe plants they sell,, you're advised to prune anthing below the grafted area as it may not bear the same fruit as what's above the grafted area which was the reason for graft.maybe that translate to the cannabis plant some how.

[Weasel]

Apparently the grafted part does take on some qualities of the host plant. From what little I read it will tend to adapt somewhat to the nutrient needs of the host, etc. so there is some sort of exchange there.
I am growing a Panama sativa- which I think would be a good fit with one of the Thai plants I'm growing. If I can think of one more suitable plant I'll get three clones started and try to graft them together while they're young and vegging.

[Weasel]

I'm not going to commit myself to trying this again- because it was a real pain in the ass having my plants tangled together like that for weeks (can't move pots around, can't transplant even if they outgrow their pots, etc) but I'll definitely keep it in mind and watch for a likely chance with compatible strains.

There are other ways of grafting of course - most of them just use a free cutting which is then attached to the host plant (rootstock). I tried this various ways, without putting major effort into it -but all my cuttings wilted and died. They need a little tlc, and high RH at the joint to have any hope of growing together.

Anyway- if I try it again I'll use two living plants like I did last time as this seemed more likely to work in my space.

[bobsakamoto]

WHEE...this is gonna be fun

[mcruderalis]

"Weasel" tried to give you a 'like on that one.
Last couple of times I heard ,'of/from' the Joint Doctor he stated the (first,,my paraphrase) Ogre,while auto flowering that one should monitor the buds THC development because many matured at different times. The last news was considering a plant that could be grown year round . sort of like determinate and 'in'determinate tomatoes strain.

I can only remember the difference of determinate and indeterminate by remembering 'determinate' has a set destiny that has a determined lifespan.Once it fruits (only once)it's gone.(like cannabis a determined lifespan.
Whereas 'indeterminate' varieties can be moved into the house ,,,in the winter,,,and continued to produce fruits for an indeterminate amount of time,given light and nutrient needs give it a 18/6 light schedule and you can have tomatoes all winter long

So if we graft a cannabis to a hops root system will the plant come to be the goose that laid the golden egg and come back every year.
Or graft it to an indeterminate tomatoe root/stock and get an "Indeterminate" Cannabis Variety ?

[Weasel]

I'm no botanist but I don't think those terms apply to cannabis. A determinate tomato fruits all at once while an indeterminate strain keeps on fruiting indefinitely.
I don't remember the correct term for cannabis - which is an annual that's capable of revegging. Not that it matters. Anyway- it does have that magical ability ( most of the time) to reveg under the right conditions, and also to stay in vegetative mode indefinitely.
I don't think grafting a strain to hops or to another strain will make any difference to its basic biology. It's a photoperiod plant. I'm talking about photos not autos of course ( I never talk about autos). Its fate can be manipulated by the hours of darkness/light, but apart from that happening it's going to die in the 'fall' after it flowers.
I don't know if there are sativas near the tropics, where there isn't so much fluctuation in daylight, that live to flower more than once. I tend to think it might be possible but I couldn't find any literature on the subject.

[mcruderalis]

And yet,,,if you go to youtube(one word) cannabis marijuauna tomatoes you get a video that shows how it's done,,and they even cut up a tomatoe ( they say is high in THC) and eat it in front off you. They even states that northern lights work best.
Sorry for pulling you down the rabbit hole with me !
This Is Fun Bobsakamoto

[bobsakamoto]

RUDER, i was just now catchin' up and was thinking the same thing 6 posts back. i find this ish fascinating, for real. oh and THANK YOU for giving me a way to remember determinate indeterminate...i could never remember that either.

[bobsakamoto]

@SouthSierraDude commented
"Peer reviewed and weed are not friends."

lmao!

[mcruderalis]

They do graft lemon trees and orange trees together on a reg basis.Apparently one of the root system develops a better root system to get as much water from irrigation canals that normally soaks past it in really (mostly) sandy soil.
Seeing the amount of water they put on citrus I feel it waste to much water from our environment to justify a glass of orange juice but money talks in commercial agriculture.

[Weasel]

I saw a chance to graft a plant tonight so I went for it. The site is giving me issues uploading photos even worse than usual so I'll try to post pics another time. Even if the limbs involved wilt and don't survive the night- the pics (would) show the process - which is one I used successfully in the past.