Plants in kindsoil pale green

[Greenpassion]

I have 4 photos in 7 gal grow bags,under led lights in my flowering room. They are in kindsoil with coast of main on top. I have followed Phil's directions to the t, using only water. I have added molasses, but other than that nothing. They are in their 8th week of flowering, and I am not pleased. The buds will be significantly smaller than my past grows when I had used botanicare nutrients, and their color is paler than it should be.
They have maybe 2 or so weeks left, and they are not looking beefed up at all. Per Phil's instructions I used the earth crystals to adjust the ph, and only enough to move the ph from 7.5 down to 7.0. My growing condition s are perfect. Here's my question. Should I use budswell on them??? I'm suggesting Bud swell just as an off-the-cuff attempt to get them to Green up. I do have organic bat guano I could make a tea with and I also have fish emulsion. I'm just not sure what to do or, even at this late stage there is anything I can do.

[CaptainWiese91]

Really hard without pictures.
what is kind soil? If I may ask.
but if you have 2 weeks left - You should be flushing your plants now. ? Or you don’t need to with that type of soil?

[Greenpassion]

Kind soil is a water only super soil. It does wonderful for autos, but I've had to top dress repeatedly doing a photo grow. When I am using nutrients yes now would be the time to flush but with kind soil you do not flush, and you should never water to run off.

[CaptainWiese91]

Okay I see. I only grow in normal soil. But I guess your PH is a little to high? You wrote from 7,5-7,0. I know some nutrients is better taken up by the roots with a PH on 6,0-6,3. Like phosphorus fx. I guess what ever soil you use it would be the same for the roots? (Unless in hydro of course) maybe that is why you have a pale green?? Or your top-feed didn’t work like you wanted ?

I can’t see a problem with using some nutrients now then? As budswell or something in that area. But I really don’t know if it should have an effect on just 2 weeks. (Someone also reading this, correct if I’m wrong)
Im thinking about the taste in the end. I know from my experiences that organic nutes take a while for the roots to absorb it, while not organic nutes, the plant eats it as soon you give it to them.

[vostok]

I have 4 photos in 7 gal grow bags,under led lights in my flowering room. They are in kindsoil with coast of main on top. I have followed Phil's directions to the t, using only water. I have added molasses, but other than that nothing. They are in their 8th week of flowering, and I am not pleased. The buds will be significantly smaller than my past grows when I had used botanicare nutrients, and their color is paler than it should be.
They have maybe 2 or so weeks left, and they are not looking beefed up at all. Per Phil's instructions I used the earth crystals to adjust the ph, and only enough to move the ph from 7.5 down to 7.0. My growing condition s are perfect. Here's my question. Should I use budswell on them??? I'm suggesting Bud swell just as an off-the-cuff attempt to get them to Green up. I do have organic bat guano I could make a tea with and I also have fish emulsion. I'm just not sure what to do or, even at this late stage there is anything I can do.

its all in the Ph..get that down to 6.5 at best, then we look to the photos to advize

[Greenpassion]

I was specifically told not to do that by Phil Kind himself over the phone..

[CaptainWiese91]

Then I know nothing about living soil 😅😅. Roots in soil absorb nutrients best at a level of 6,0-6,5. But if the soil “maker” says that, then I don’t know what you should do about it, sorry bro

[CaptainWiese91]

Can’t say Nothing against the manufacturers word.

[Greenpassion]

Yeah. I hear you.

[D.A.A.S.69]

Get your ph between 6.0-7.0, 6.5 is perfect.I
Don't care what Phil says, I've used KindSoil a bunch.

[Cali]

In my living soil I haven’t checked the ph in over a year with no issues. In organic/living soil the plants and soil along with the microbiology work together to adjust the ph with out our help. As long as we don’t add anything that will kill the life in the soil. That’s why I didn’t go with kind soil plus it seems expensive and not being able to reuse the soil makes it even more expensive. Over and under watering may be your issue. If all else is good. I would recommend you water it with kelp meal. It should fix any deficiencies as long as it’s not over or under watered.

[CaptainWiese91]

Just read up about it. Know I know what living soil is👍🏻 You learn everyday

[Greenpassion]

I will give that a try Cali

[vostok]

I have 4 photos in 7 gal grow bags,under led lights in my flowering room. They are in kindsoil with coast of main on top. I have followed Phil's directions to the t, using only water. I have added molasses, but other than that nothing. They are in their 8th week of flowering, and I am not pleased. The buds will be significantly smaller than my past grows when I had used botanicare nutrients, and their color is paler than it should be.
They have maybe 2 or so weeks left, and they are not looking beefed up at all. Per Phil's instructions I used the earth crystals to adjust the ph, and only enough to move the ph from 7.5 down to 7.0. My growing condition s are perfect. Here's my question. Should I use budswell on them??? I'm suggesting Bud swell just as an off-the-cuff attempt to get them to Green up. I do have organic bat guano I could make a tea with and I also have fish emulsion. I'm just not sure what to do or, even at this late stage there is anything I can do.

Having been manipulated by an alleged carpetbagger and his advice you obvoiusly have your doubts..
I'm sure you want your monies worth from this charectuer
please be sure to request assistance from him
or seek your money back under a common 30 day use or return scheme running in your country
as I'm sure you have heard

" a fool and his money are easiely parted"
don't be the fool!

good luck all the same

[Greenpassion]

Humm. There are several members here who swear by kindsoil. I think it's fine for growing autos, but for photos...?

[WeirdWiredWolf]

Coast of Maine recommends supplementing with their "Liquid Squid" fertilizer if the same soil is used (same container with no topdressing) beyond 90 days. That might work with KS as well, I had one plant in the same pot of Sohum living soil for a full cycle (~16 weeks, I did add fresh soil in flower once or twice). All my grows have been photos so far.

[Greenpassion]

@WeirdWildWolf, are you referring to the coast of Maine that is developed for cannabis? I am using regular coast of Maine called Bar Harbor.

[Greenpassion]

I also just started a new post about growing outdoors in the ground. Maybe you can help me out with that dilemma?