New to this, and have many questions...

[Greenpassion]

Campisino, I'm curious. Have you grown in Kindsoil?

[Campesino]

No, but I am familiar with the issues surrounding it.
I grow cannabis in Coco. However, I have a pretty extensive background in gardening and horticulture. Including biodynamic, agro-ecology, and organic farming.
But I have no personal experience with cannabis in kindsoil.
Others here do, and you should get traction on your other post.

[D.A.A.S.69]

I use KindSoil, and you don't flush the KindSoil, if you do. You wash away, all of the nutrients in the KindSoil, you don't water, to run-off either. For the same reason
You put the KS. In the bottom, half of your pot, and something like FFOF, on the top half of the pots
That way you don't burn your plants
Read KindSoil instructions ,it's easy to use. Just don't water to run-off
I,or flush your plants

[Campesino]

D.A.A.S.69 I had only recommended that he might want to flush the soil for the seedlings a little because he was concerned that it might be too hot. He knows not to water to run-off as a general practice.
What do you think of the idea of pre-flushing a little kindsoil to reduce the heat for seedlings in solo cups - and then transplanting into straight kindsoil?

[D.A.A.S.69]

Hey Camp, KindSoil will burn up the seedlings, that's why you don't ever start your seedlings in KindSoil.
There is a warning on the KindSoil box, don't start seedlings in KindSoil.
You fill half your pot with KindSoil on the bottom half. And you use something else ,in the top half of the pot. Something like RootsOrganic or I use FFOF, on top of the KindSoil , never had it burn my seedlings with that either.
I remember Calikid, started his seedlings in KindSoil, and it got burnt up.KindSoil is strong ,but you use it on the bottom half of your pots. So by the

time the roots get in the Kindsoil, they
are fine, and don't burn up.
Phil has got instructions on the KindSoil package, it's so easy, even I can follow, those instructions, lol

[Campesino]

Right, but preflushing should reduce the heat.

I think you start in final containers, right? ... If you start in solo cups as part of a transplant regime, instead of "layers", I think you would just use different media (or different treatments) at each transplant stage.
So, I would do it like this
1. Solo cups (with pre-flushed kind soil - or pre-flushed FFOF)
2. 3-gallon transplanter fabric pots (with straight kindsoil)
3. 10-gallon fabric pot (with straight kindsoil)

FWIW I think that FFOF can burn seedlings too if it isn't pre-flushed to lower heat

[D.A.A.S.69]

For what it's worth, I've used FFOF, many times and never burned any of my plants or seedlings. It's not strong at all. Ask PhilKind.
You don't mess with the KindSoil, you put it on bottom, something else on top.
I've done it both ways, transplanting an also plant straight in final pots, and l like final pots a lot better than transplanting, regardless of all the transplanting ideas. Some transplant ,some dont, not a big difference either way, I ain't in no hurry anyway.
I like to start autoflowers, in final pots.Everyone does things differently.
Ps, plus I think PhilKind has been growing longer than, most everyone I know, and he has tried it all, on top of his Kindsoil, he says FFOF, is not hot at all, it's got bugs and usually the ph is way off.
Read some of his articles ,and you will see, what he thinks, and he's been right too.
He is constantly trying, new soils, to see what works best on top of his Kindsoil, he likes coco-loco, an RootsOrganic, last time I checked.

[Greenpassion]

This is great info guys. By the way, I'm noticing a big time difference. I'm in Vermont, USA...?

[Campesino]

I am in Los Angeles. The time defaults to UTC, but you can change it to your own time-zone in settings

[D.A.A.S.69]

Greenpassion, that's a cool name, I'm in Ms. But you can make your own soil, supersoil or living soil, real easy and it's even kinda fun too, if you got a place to do it. It doesn't have to be a big place either..
Read up on it, it's not hard to do, then you want need to be buying nutrients any more.
Plus lots of people think it even tastes better, grown organic,
Growing MJ, is lots of fun, and making your own soil is fun too. Good Luck with whatever, you decide. Plenty of folks on GWE, that will be glad to try to help you,

[Greenpassion]

How? I haven't seen where to do that.

[Campesino]

At the top of the page on the right, you see your name... click on it
Click on "User settings"
Next, you have to click on the tab that says "account"
On that page you can add a signature and adjust your time zone
Cheers!

[Greenpassion]

Thank you D.a.a.s.69! I have a LOT of orchids, and a good variety of other not so common plants here. And yea, I've read about how to make your own super soil, right here on GWE. With all the work of my orchids, dogs and my house, I m opting for the next best thing-buying it🙄 So I'm goi g to get it on Amazon in the next few days, and tomorrow I'm buying the seeds from Nervana, another tip from reading this forum.

[D.A.A.S.69]

Greenpassion, that sounds like a great plan, good luck, you can't go wrong with KindSoil, as long as you don't overwater, and make sure that your water is 6.0-7.0ph.
He has got good instructions on the box, how to use it.
Plus, Phil will even send you free bags of KindSoil, for some of your bud pictures , he is really a nice guy, very smart too, that is proud of his product, and I would be too, it works great.
HappyGrowing.

[Greenpassion]

Thank you!

[Campesino]

I like your signature

[Greenpassion]

Thank you🙂

[Greenpassion]

Question for camp. Earlier you posted the regime that you would follow which is start and Solo cups, move to 3 gallon transplant fabric pots, then move to 10 gallon fabric pots. My question is why wouldn't I go to a 5-gallon so I know pot for these auto flowering plants? I thought they were small but maybe I'm wrong.

[Campesino]

You could use 5 gallon final containers, I just like more room for roots than that in Soil. I use 7 gallon containers and I grow with Coco, so that is the equivalent of probably 15 or 20 gallons of soil in terms of root space.
If you go with 5 gallon finals (or 7 gallon) I would still do 3-step transplant - but second step would be 2 gallon.

Why the second step matters:
If you go from solo cups to large containers (or start in a large container) the roots will colonize primarily the edges and the bottom of the container. If you excavate the roots after harvest, you will find a lot of root mass around the edges and very little root ball mass in the center of the media. This type of root structure does not support strong healthy plants.
By moving gradually up in container size you ensure that the roots colonize the full volume of the media. This develops a strong root ball mass under the plant and supports strong healthy growth.
Furthermore, large containers that do not have roots drawing moisture tend to dry out very slowly. This affects your fertigation frequency and makes it difficult to get the water and o2 balance correct. In small containers this is much less of a problem and roots are drowned for much shorter periods of time.

[Greenpassion]

Another another question to anyone actually, but maybe specifically D.a.a.s.69. My understanding is that when photo period plants are close to harvest people do a flush. Withholding nutrients for a certain period of time. How do I do that in kind soil if it is continually feeding the plants. Do I actually flush with distilled water to wash out whatever nutrients are left before I harvest?

[Greenpassion]

Okay then I will go from Solo cups, with a small amount of pre flushed kind soil in the bottom, up to 2 gallon transplant fabric with 2 lb of kind soil in the bottom, then up to 5 gallon 24/7 pots with 5 lb of kind soil in the bottom. I plan on growing these under Galaxy Pro 300 watt LED lights. Two 300 watt lights on either side and a 600 watt LED in the center. I used these LED lights 2 years ago when I did my first grow with photo period plants. They did really well with these lights. I did not have a 600-watt hanging in the center at that time but I will now. How does that sound?

[Campesino]

Sounds Great!
I think D.A.A.S.69 suggests not using preflushed Kindsoil in the first step (solo cups). I think it would be fine, but I'd defer to his experience. Maybe your Promix only in the Solo cups (We were actually discussing FFOF, which is "Fox Farm Ocean Forest", as the media for solo cups) - and then straight Kind Soil for all steps after that.

I actually just saw D.A.A.S.69 comment on flushing on another thread and can confirm that we agree, flushing is not needed in Kind Soil. You are just giving her good stuff - nothing to flush away!

[Greenpassion]

Yeah I kind of figured there was nothing to flush away but I thought that the plants were supposed to go like a week or two without any nutrients before Harvest. Kind soil gives nutrients all the way through so how does that work? I've read that people withhold nutrients until the leaves start to turn yellowish, and then they harvest. But with auto plants in kind soil, they wouldn't go through a period of nutrient deprivation. Is that a necessary step - nutrient deprivation?

[Campesino]

No, It is not a necessary step. The flush is to try to remove the chemicals that have not been processed by the plant. And to force her to use up the chemicals that she has stored. You aren't feeding any nasty chemicals, so the flush is not needed. She can stay green through to harvest, no problem!

[D.A.A.S.69]

Greenpassion, I use 3gallon smartpots, with 3lbs, or 21 cups of KindSoil on the bottom of the pot, then you use stuff like Coco-Loco, or Roots Organic or FFOF or Ffhf, or anything you like on top of the pot.
I don't transplant anymore, I can't tell the difference, except I'm not slowing my auto down, an I know you can transplant one without slowing it down, if your careful,
But Phil Kind has got his soil figured out , by using a pound of KindSoil for every gallon of pot size.
At the end your leaves will start turning yellow, just like they do naturally outdoors in the wild.
Thats why he says never water to runoff, or you will wash all of the good stuff that's in the KindSoil away, unless you put a saucer under your pot ,so it can wick it back up.
But I never water to runoff, I put my hand under the pot. And you can feel when the roots are wet-damp.
But if you water to runoff your leaves will get yellow. Much to soon.
Thats why I say, if you follow Phil's directions ,you can't go wrong. But with his soil you do have to make sure that your water is between 6.0-7.0 going in.
It grows some fine sticky weed, too.
ps- oh yeah, no need to flush, last week or two, mine just get molasses an water.

[Greenpassion]

Are you saying you plant your seeds directly into 3 gallon pots?

[Greenpassion]

Tell me about the molasses. You use that in the last week or so? I just ordered my seeds I ordered Northern Light and OG Kush, both Auto. They will be here in a few weeks so I'm sorry away from needing the Molasses I'm sure. When I get closer I'll check back in with you on that topic.