ran into some issues purple stem. shocked???

[r3m1]

**updated*11/19/16 132am est

so picked up some clones from a strain bank. everything looked great until day two arrived. I noticed the stems where getting purple, clone where in clear solo cups with holes in bottom. i knew two need transplant due to amount of roots growing. transplanted them and more plants stems got purple. i noticed tips going yellow but from the top of plant, i also noticed small burn stops forming so i did a flush with the solo cups before i transplanted them all used a 50/50 mix coyco i believe is the spelling and an organic mix i have the good air pots as well, soil was mixed with 25% b-52 and 75% water. soil slightly damp. yesterday i noticed the stems almost going so purple the stems looked somewhat grey.

so i cut the light back half powered and raised it 3 inches for the 4 i had already. humidity jumps from 52-64 temp 72-79, air flow is good as i have many fans going not hard or direct on plants but jsut a slight tickle on the leafs. plants seemed worse today and i added a few nuts conn grow a&b,b-52,sensizym, rhino skin,cal-mag as well. by adding i mean by just a bit maybe 4-6oz to each plant. all plants seems to be drinking very slow thru soil. going on day 2 no water, food, etc. so i added because to stem sign and slight twisted growth(see attached). let alone the signs on the leafs and the drooping signs i was getting. alot of mixed issues seems so i basically added light nuts with the cal mag and ph perfect conn a&b grow. wondering what others saying and what i could do to maybe correct the major issue. if not already corrected.


Update
after a few days i let soil dry up to moist gave plants a watered down 50/50 mix of water and the nut mix, plants are starting new growth, plants also let me bend them down and tie them off. after day one nutrients, day two no water or feed needed yet but each plant has 3 or 4 new growth stems about 2-3 inches each. im on day 3 and the plants haven't grown much but they all look so perky, with a few still strangling here and their. everything i bent is nice and straight up pointing at the light all again. yes my two that where over 14 inches i bent down with out topping. believe it or not two new stems are about that stems height now (being bent over). ill post new pics this weekend,

[Green75]

Stop giving her nutes. looks like nute burn and you still give her nutes...not a good call...your organic soil...should have plenty of stuff in it without adding nutes...gotta ask what your ideal number is for ph...what's the NPK of your soil does it say....

[Grower-Aaron]

Also check your soul density. If it's to tight that'll cause the plants to drink slowly. It'll cause a lot of problem cause water will just sit on the roots with no oxygen getting to them. Can cause a LOT of problem, nute deffeiency, slow growth, root rot ect

[Grower-Aaron]

Soil* not soul.

[Lotusyde]

Sorry I still like the sound of soul density lol

[r3m1]

lotusyde i agree lol soul density sounded better. actually made alot of sense when it was said as soul. but density is really good, plants are starting to come back more as the days go on

[r3m1]

the only thing that i asked the caregiver of the clones when to feed, light schedule, and asked when transplanted last. leafs where cut at edges but plants looked healthy. i did leave alone for first day and had humidity issue due to furnace not having one and dropping humidity down to 39 :/ i had troubles fixing that issue at first ended up having to place a humidifier near plants that gave visible mist (looking into better circulation tomorrow, with a 44cfm blower to pull cool air from outside into the room, so i can cut the two fans i have blowing to move the humidity around in the basement.

plants i did notice started showing a green stem after i added the 4-6oz of AN line cal-mag, con a and b grow with rhino skin and sysnzyme. research shows from the site that nut burn can show the same signs as a few different issues underlying it as well. i have no real sense if other caregiver gave them a nut burn before i even got them or a ph level issue. ph is around low 6 to high 6. also im using a t-5 8 bulb 4 foot light, 6500k bulbs grow.

i am hoping tomorrow they start looking better, or im going to basically do a heavy flush to the plants and let them dry out from water before i feed again. I also have stump tea i am adding into the watering process so feed/stump/water when needed. i have a meter to check wetness of soil as well and use to check every time. aaron density is actually extremely good so i dont believe this to be the issue but i will make sure its noted to watch incase. green no it does not say brand is original roots, and coco mix (50/50 mix). Shop caregiver and i talked today he said the same until i explained to him they had the brown rusty looking spots (which are no longer their) and tips are going back to green(besides the dead tips) stems are looking alot better as of 7 hours ago. ill get pics when lights come back on tomm. i will say that when the humidity issue happened my temps where 85 in the room and id say lasted about 2-3 hours (in between checks) with humidity in the low 40's high 30's. Stress is no doubt a factor right now, but moving forward i am watching what is going on non stop as my girls are very sick . If signs are not more clearing up by mid afternoon i will be looking to do a flush on the plants to dump any nutrients until they dry out after flush, to rule out nut burn.

[insomniaczzz]

You may want to consider some LST soon. They are getting tall and the nodes seem too far spaced out. Once you get your others problems figured out, maybe consider topping them or bending stems. over.

[r3m1]

didnt top them but i did manage to get 3 plants bent over now. ill top when stems are green again and if the plants does not grow more from other parts.

[r3m1]

thanks carlsoti, i showed a fellow grower at a shop i go to the issues and he see cal iron and mag deficiency, we both came up with a plan of attack on it and if not better by this weekend he is going to come by and look at them. insomniaczzz I am looking and reading into lst still need to learn this before i go balls to the wall with the lst. I did how ever took the best looking plant which stood about 4-6 inches in height many nodes and leafs on it and used a twist tie to have it bend over to try out the LST which to my surprise the plant is responding very well and is already pointing back to the light and growing straight up again. I didnt however top it just yet the others i am worried about breaking the stems or causing more shock to the plants. I am a fairly new grower but with a decent background on it. if anyone's in Michigan im open for hands on help lol. still a lot to learn as this field is very big.

[Royal Nugs]

Hey r3. I'm in Southeast MI. I don't do house calls though No offense to you, but I don't know you. I hope you have your MMM card.

I think you're on track for recovery.

I'm not a huge fan of clones unless you're doing it yourself. It's a great way to get pests... not to mention you don't know how old the mother is, how she's been treated, etc. all of these factors can contribute to a poor yielding clone.

Hope it works out for you, chem dog is a great strain. Prone to hermaphroditic tendencies though in my experience. Maybe not the best starter strain unless it's been stabilized. Keep an eye out for sacs and nanners when flowering. A buddy of mine grows a lot of chem dog and he uses switch by optic foliar to keep the plants from herming. They recommend transport to be used in conjunction with switch. My buddy doesn't and he's fine. YMMV.

Sorry if this is a lot to digest.

[r3m1]

royal yes of course i do, I'm a medically retired military police officer, with PTSD. I totally understand, i wouldn't just let anyone over to look either. I would have to meet a few times and talk a bit.
I am not as well i only have plants from him right now and everything seems to be looking a alot better now and no bug issues.
I have 6 strains
chem dawg
cherry
bubble kush
kandy kush
quantium
super lemon haze

[Royal Nugs]

Thank you for your service, sir.

Those are some killer strains. I've had the chemdog, quantum kush, kandy kush, and super lemon haze. All good!

Stick around and keep posting, we got military vets and Michiganders that are regulars here

[berrypilot]

Have you checked the PH? From what I understand, that's the most common reason for deficiencies, even if you're using PH Perfect Nutrients!!!!! ⚕ Also try checking out the plant doctor!!! 😷 http://www.growweedeasy.com/cannabis-symptoms-pictures

[r3m1]

after hours of research and testing ( soil levels) i found out PH became a slight issue, since I'm using a coco/soil mix the PH was in the 8 range after adding AN conn A&B grow PH became balanced quick. Also plant was lacking cal-mag-iron, added those and new growth triggered and the purple it clearing up, slow but its going away.

[insomniaczzz]

Hey r3. I'm in Southeast MI. I don't do house calls though No offense to you, but I don't know you. I hope you have your MMM card.

I think you're on track for recovery.

I'm not a huge fan of clones unless you're doing it yourself. It's a great way to get pests... not to mention you don't know how old the mother is, how she's been treated, etc. all of these factors can contribute to a poor yielding clone.

Hope it works out for you, chem dog is a great strain. Prone to hermaphroditic tendencies though in my experience. Maybe not the best starter strain unless it's been stabilized. Keep an eye out for sacs and nanners when flowering. A buddy of mine grows a lot of chem dog and he uses switch by optic foliar to keep the plants from herming. They recommend transport to be used in conjunction with switch. My buddy doesn't and he's fine. YMMV.

Sorry if this is a lot to digest.

Per your recommendation quite a while back,(maybe it was someone else) I bought a jug of Optic Foliar Switch and then I read it must be used with the transport, which I didn't buy. Just in case I do need to use it next grow, what does your buddy do? Does he spray the entire plant prior to buds forming?

[Royal Nugs]

Fems can herm too. Some argue more so than regular. I'm not in that camp. Stable genetics are stable genetics, IMO. The feminizing process does not effect this unless the fem seeds were created by a natural hermaphrodite.

[insomniaczzz]

thanks for your input Nugs.

[r3m1]

heavy 16 foliar every 5 days did first treatment yesterday. wont use long just until i know plant is good.

[Lotusyde]

r3m1 I got this from an Ed Rosenthal book I have. His word is proven gospel to some. I think it may help. At least the last half

Potassium =(K) is used by plants to regulate carbohydrate metabolism, chlorophyll synthesis, and protein synthesis as well as to provide resistance to disease. Adequate amounts of K result in strong, sturdy stems while slightly deficient plants often grow taller, thinner stems. Plants producing seed use large amounts of K. Breeding plants can be given K supplements to assure well-developed seed. Symptoms of greater deficiencies are more apparent on the sun leaves (the large lower leaves). Necrotic patches are found on the leaf tips and then in patches throughout the leaf. The leaves also look pale green. Stems and flowers on some plants turn deep red or purple as a result of K deficiencies. However, red stems are a genetic characteristic of some plants so this symptom is not foolproof. Outdoors, a cold spell can precipitate K and make it unavailable to the plants, so that almost overnight the flowers and stems turn purple. K deficiency can be treated with any high-K fertilizer. Old growth does not absorb the nutrient and will not be affected. However, new growth will show no signs of deficiency within 2 weeks. For faster results the fertilizer can be used as a foliar spray. K deficiency does not seem to be a crucial problem. Except for the few symptoms, plants do not seem to be affected by it.

I hope it helps

ALL CREDIT TO: ED ROSENTHAL INDOOR MARIJUANA HANDBOOK 2006

[r3m1]

thanks i did a lot myself i used a folier spray as well, cal-mag-iron was lacking, also added sensizym for the roots. purple going away and i also had to add a inline blower to pull air out.

[insomniaczzz]

We grew bag seed and had one plant that had reddish hued stems from start to finish. Bud production was the same as the others. An anomaly perhaps.

[Wattze]

Hey if you check out my thread, "First grow Forum: Cherry OG", you'll see my stems are pretty purple there as well, and I haven't done anything different besides LST, defoliation, and some nutes here and there lol
personally, I think the purple stems are just from the strain, and that's okay! As per nutes, I literally only give my girl about 3-5ml per gallon, and she takes it perfectly!
It also seems like things were moving really fast there for awhile, not really a ton of time for recovery lol granted every strain is different, it's still good to let her do her own thing until I need to step in. I'll have to go back and double check, but it was either Karlee or Tika who had made a post saying we are it's Mother Nature, we control everything it does and provide it what it needs, we can't let them know we're messing up, or it spirals from there! (Or so it seems).. it'll work out man, just one step at a time, and definitely be patient my friend!

[r3m1]

i did i commented actually. i noticed it and its now going away added some conn grow a and b and cal-mag sensizym
and a folier spray. plants looking good ill post pics this weekend.

[NebulaHaze]

I've definitely had plants with red or purple stems, and I've never really noticed any effects. I'd just focus on the leaves. As long as they are green and healthy I don't think there's anything to worry about with stem color. It could just be genetics.

[r3m1]

used a folier spray as well, cal-mag-iron was lacking, also added sensizym for the roots. purple going away and i also had to add a inline blower to pull air out.

[Royal Nugs]

I think it may be a problem when you have mostly green stems and only a few purple. Then you may have the mag deficiency. I'm just spitballing here....

[r3m1]

it started like that, then iron and cal happened. also slow growth. they look better now. ill post pics later. i can smell a strong odor of weed from them tho. their not even budding or close to it.

[r3m1]

roots are showing thru the bottoms of pots guess they needed time to expand and grow down their some. question tho is when should i transplant to final pot? will be going to a 7 gal pot next im think 3-4 weeks to allow plants to grow now