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    How Many Fabric Pots?

    Soon starting new grow in new tent: 60x60x160, 4x cheap LED's from e-bay – one central '360w' full spectrum UFO (36x'10w' double-chip LED's) with three surrounding full spectrum 28w (28xLED's) E27's. It's anyone's guess what the hell that really means in terms of actual light output, but I'm confident it will suffice. We'll see, in any case. Please don't comment on lighting here. (Unless you really do know exactly which lights I'm referring to and really do have real-life experience of using them.)

    The question here is about pots: whether to put five plants into one big – 17
    gallon (⌀45cmx35cm depth) or 7 gallon (⌀35x30); or 5x small – 2 gallon (⌀20x20) or 3 gallon (⌀25x20) white fabric pots. If going the 'small' route, I'm afraid 5x ⌀25cm would be a bit too tight in the 60cm2 space, so I'm inclined to go for the 2 gallon pots (unless someone knows why 3 gallon would be better). If going the 'big' route, it's a question of how much room I'm going to need to the side over the edge of the pot for manifolding. I can put the plants closer together in the middle of the pot, so I'm inclined to go for the bigger pot, unless someone can think of a reason why the 7 gallon pot might work better). I want to put all the pots, or the one big pot, into a cage, like a plastic laundry basket: a) to catch run-off from the plants after watering; and b) to provide a frame for (LST) training to manifold them.

    There's a question of height, as well: to keep the lights 30-45cm above the canopy I don't want the canopy to grow above a metre or so from the floor. This isn't a problem in the smaller pots, which are only 20cm deep – I just put soil in to 5cm from the top of the pot, so the top of the soil is 15cm from the floor. Is 15cm depth enough for the roots to grow sufficiently to feed a metre-high manifolded plant? If I left 5cm between the top of the soil and the top edge of the pot in the bigger (biggest – 17 gallon) pot, the plants would start 30cm from the ground, which means by switching to flowering when they're 40cm high they'll stretch to a height of ~80cm they'll be ~1.2m from the floor, leaving ~30cm (subtract (at least) 10cm from the overall height of the tent to allow for fixtures) between the canopy and the lights. I'm afraid that's a bit tight. How much soil do they actually need in the bottom of a big pot (⌀45 or ⌀35cm)? Will 20cm from the bottom of the pot be enough, so that they've got another 10cm distance from the lights? If I've got the pots in a laundry basket/catch tray/manifold frame, I'll put clay pellets in the bottom to avoid wet feet. That's going to add another couple centimetres (4-5cm) to the height.

    Thoughts, ideas, suggestions, comments, feedback, descriptions of similar experience – please.

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    1 plant per pot. No more no less unless you want real head aches down the line.
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      #3
      get 1 3 gallon per plant and one 5 or 7 gallon per plant. also get the smaller clone starting containers i think it is like 12 for like 4.99 or something i have 200-300 invested in fabrics best money i spent beside my clone machine

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        #4
        Originally posted by LuckyAcres View Post
        1 plant per pot. No more no less unless you want real head aches down the line.
        Well, what are kids for – headaches are what it's all about! Haven't you realised: the more you think about them, the more they think about you? It's all in the stone.

        Nice scrog you've got in the Dirty Journal. Congratulations!

        I found the Critical Ogre Root Wash video particularly illuminating, quite literally very revealing! It rather pushes me towards the idea of putting all five plants into one 17 gallon pot: if that one plant made such extensive use of a five gallon pot, what the hell are they going to do in 2 or 3 gallon pots? Having masked out a 60cm square on the kitchen table and put 20 and 25cm plates into it to see what fits, the only way it can be done for one plant per pot is to put one (1x) 3 gallon (25cm) pot in the middle and surround it with four 20cm (2 gallon) pots. They're going to get root bound, judging by the video, which was about a 5 gallon pot, and they'll be so close to the sides of the tent there will be nowhere to train for manifolding. There's much more room in one big pot: all of the space between the smaller pots is just wasted.

        Apart from that, despite the danger of putting all the eggs into one basket, I can't help feeling it must be more like the conditions in which they've evolved for them to have their roots touching. Fifty years of crossbreeding hasn't changed their DNA that much.

        Thanks for your comment.
        Last edited by McDdd; 07-12-2017, 03:42 PM.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Inuart88 View Post
          get 1 3 gallon per plant and one 5 or 7 gallon per plant. also get the smaller clone starting containers i think it is like 12 for like 4.99 or something i have 200-300 invested in fabrics best money i spent beside my clone machine
          Yes well, I've done that now: got 1x 17, 7 and 3 gallon pots + 4x 2 gallon pots. They're only a euro or two each, so there doesn't seem much point sinking the ship for tuppence of tar. We'll see how it all comes together and fits in real life when everything's in place and ready to go.

          Haven't started cloning yet, but this new setup is designed to accommodate a propagation tent, so that's something we're looking forward to.

          I suspect you're right about fabrics (damn sensible investment).

          Thanks for your comment.

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            #6
            Hey McDdd, you lost me with the metric system but are you considering the diameter of the containers only, or are you including the expected canopy sizes in your calculations? Depending on your training, a plant in a 5 Gal will have a canopy 18" (40+ cm??) or wider. With scrog, one plant in a 10 Gal container can fill a meter sq. or more.
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              #7
              Originally posted by Sheesh View Post
              Hey McDdd, you lost me with the metric system but are you considering the diameter of the containers only, or are you including the expected canopy sizes in your calculations? Depending on your training, a plant in a 5 Gal will have a canopy 18" (40+ cm??) or wider. With scrog, one plant in a 10 Gal container can fill a meter sq. or more.
              This is a good point, thank you. Yes, I had considered it, but I think you're right in drawing my attention to it to revisit that consideration. I've been wanting to make a diagram of how I envision it working out. It's too late now, so I'll hope to find time for it tomorrow and upload a file.

              Thanks again for your input!

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