Drooping/Lime

[UrbZ]

Hello all first time grower here just looking for some trouble shooting help and some advice. Criticism is worth more than compliments so don't hold back..

So here is here is a breakdown of what is going on. I've got a cherry pie plant going from seedling, it sprouted on Oct. 25th. It is having some drooping issues and coloration is significantly lime green. As you can see both in the first picture pretty clearly. I leave for work around 3pm and it's fine then get home around 1030pm and it's drooping. Seems to be everyday since I transplanted it a week ago into my final pot. Just wondering what thoughts might be.

My set up and routine is as follows.

water starting ph - 7

soil starting ph - 7

room humidity - between 55% & 63% RH (Inkbird & Humidifier controlled)

Room temperature - between 77.5° & 82.5° even at lights off (Inkbird & heater/vent controlled)

Light - 460 watt 8 bulb T5 ( about 6 inches from canopy) 18 on 6 off

Oscillating fan on 24/7

As for nutrients I've only fed her once with nutes the rest has been with straight water up until final transplant. I micro dosed as well being the first time feeding her. Nutes as follows.

Advanced nutrients line - micro 1ml per gallon
grow 1 ml per gallon
calmag 1 ml per gallon
maxicrop seaweed - 1 ml per gallon
mad farmer vitamin b1 - 1ml per gallon
1oz Turbinado sugar dissolved
ph down - 1/2 ml

Water ph final - 6.2

Run off - have not checked yet

Foliar sprayed once with heavy 16 night of transplant.


Here is my analysis.

Lime green coloring, I'm thinking nitrogen def. or first time growers worries. maybe a little bit of heat stress I was showing some canoing as well before I got my temps under contol.

Drooping - As for watering I have a 3 in 1 unit (pos if you ask me) i do use it for a rough estimate of soil moisture level. Do not think its over or under watering. Just showing moist after 2 days from watering. I also think i transplanted a little early, to small a plant into to large of a pot. So ive been just watering around the rootball prolly roughly the same size area around as the plants widest leaves as not to over water and waste.

My final question is I tried my hand at the fim technique last night (see pic 3) and was just wondering if it looks like I cut enough. I cannot tell if i hit stem or just got leaves.

Thanks everyone in advanced for your help and feedback.

[UrbZ]

[Buddy]

Great job , they look fine I

[Neft]

Hi.. I must say that it hepend to me as well after I moved it to a bigger pot and now my girl is very high in 3rd week of flowering. First it looked like over watering but it you claimed that you didn't water her so much it will have to be the other option. I remember that after I water her properly she climb up very fast.. I would try to give her more water. And then off course to water her only when the soil is dry.

[Weed Pharma]

Your plants look good, but I can see the issues you mentioned and this is what I would do.

Increase N for a single dose and wait 3-4 days and see if they darken a bit, depending on what soil you are using -they may bounce back without N once the roots get into the new medium.

I love my 3 in1 meter- I use it to see if I need to lift the pot.
I think your over watering- not in water/feed volume- but too often. Let them dry out completely before you water again.
I let my meter go to 1.5-2 before I check the container weight.
After you water feed- waiting for it dry is when the roots venture out looking for water.
It would help if the fabric pot is on a rack of some type to allow the bottom to dry better.

Is the drooping correlated to the light cycle? That is normal but you can give Si to help with that and overall pant strength (it changed my grows forever,lol).

And yes- back the lights off for awhile and observe your plants reaction.

Another observation is the lights on- lights off difference.
During veg it should be greater than 5 degrees (which is fine for flower) for efficient inetrnodal spacing.
Sometimes just changing the time of day for the light schedule will work.

[UrbZ]

Thanks for the responses. Iv'e been wondering about over watering myself. My stems seem pretty strong and the droop seems to be localized to the leaf only. I will be backing off for a few days to observe the response of her.
Weed Pharma as for nitrogen i think I will do a bit heavier dose of calmag in my next feeding as it is pretty high in nitrogen. Will probably only do calmag and water.

I do have my pot on an elevator w/ saucer for catching drainage so no issue with that plenty of airflow under and around the pot.

As for drooping with the light cycle you refered to giving it SI. Just wondering what that may be. And yes she seems to droop more towards the later part of the day and is perky as hell in the early part of the day. Like she is sick of the light. Its been moved up to 7 inches above the canopy.

The other thing you said is the lights on off difference needing to be 5 °. You think She could be too hot at night?

[Weed Pharma]

Si- is silicone -helps with plants that pre-droop before the lights go off. I use Protekt, but there are many bands avaiable.
The temperature difference is about the number of degrees of difference- not the range outer limits. (it's really fine tuning a grow and I only do it when it's an easy fix)

[UrbZ]

Okay so I just ordered Advanced Nutrients Rhino Skin. That will now be factored into my regiment.

Tonight I am going to drop my heater control to 68° or so while lights are off. Thats a 10° change roughly.

Im also starting to have some suspicions that my soil mix has a bit too much water retaining ingredients. I bought a local mix from one of the grow shops here in town. (pic included). But I also added another 3qts of sphagnum peat and another 2.5 or 3 qts pearlite to the 60 qt bag of soil mix. I had them laying around from some other indoor plants that i planted and did not want to waste it. Im just wondering if I added too much sphagnum into the mix and the plant in return is showing signs of the water retainment...

Update on the drooping.

Luckily today I have a day off from both my full time jobs so ive been able to make regular checks on her. She still is alert all leaves up just like this morning, no drooping as of yet. Every hour im going to check her so i can note as to what time the drooping starts.

[UrbZ]

So today as of 830 pm est there was no drooping, just went and checked at 945 pm est leaves almost laying on each other again. Prolly an hour or so they will all be hanging to the soil. It seems to me it has to do with the light cycle somehow. Wondering if I should move the light further away again, only worry I have is im going to start to have too stretched internodes.. But it may help maybe drop the canopy a couple °'s it stays around 83 or 84 right under the light.

[Weed Pharma]

OK- it's normal for plants to droop before lights out-
Your's may be excessive due to too wet conditions, etc-
Give the fabric pot a chance to dry out completely- ,<-- this is the most important at this point and it may take a week or more!

The temps in low 80's are fine at this stage and I would not raise the lights anymore as cannabis love consistency.

It's a godo idea to let the plant adjust and respond/recover from a transplant before top/fim in the future.

[UrbZ]

Okay that is exactly what I am going to do. Its been 2 full days since watering i will keep checking but hold of as long as possible. I ended up leaving the lights at the same height as you suggested as not to mess with her. Ive also got my temps set to run 70-72° at lights off and 77 -82° with lights on. Thanks for all your help Pharma. I will post an update in the next few days.

[Potted]

If I’m reading right your feeding phed water at 7 that’s stretching it a bit,normal is 6.3 to 6.5 in soil. Could lock u out of some nutes.juts sayen.or I got to put down that bong.lol

[UrbZ]

If I’m reading right your feeding phed water at 7 that’s stretching it a bit,normal is 6.3 to 6.5 in soil. Could lock u out of some nutes.juts sayen.or I got to put down that bong.lol

My first couple waters yes. Only until I bought my ph down. I guess I did not mention that in any context. My first nute feed I dropped it to 6.2.

[UrbZ]

My first couple waters yes. Only until I bought my ph down. I guess I did not mention that in any context. My first nute feed I dropped it to 6.2.

And no you do not need to put the bong down. Prolly just need a little more to hit the epiphany level..

[UrbZ]

Well update on the plant. Today is one of my double job days so im gone 14+ hours so not much free time to tend hence the reason to make everything automated. But anyway got home still letting her dry but im stuck in a tough spot. She is starting to show some pretty severe nute deficiency I think. Bottom leaves are starting to yellow up pretty good. I still cant water for another couple days so giving her nutes is going to be hard.

Luckily for me this plant just came from a bag seed. I intentionally only grew her all alone to learn more before actually diving full in and germinating my fem. seeds. Shes my practice plant and this is all a good learning experience.

[Weed Pharma]

A couple of days will be fine if it's N deficiency, as you generally trim the bottom set of leaves off, as the plant matures anyways.
If you are concerned, you can always do a light foliar feed.

With regards to run off pH. It would be a good idea to check it at least once, to get a baseline. When sphagnum breaks down it may cause a drop in pH (later) .