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  • BU2B
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    Damn you guys are good!
    I don’t know if this will shed any light on the discussion but I found this
    https://www.rollitup.org/t/how-much-...t-hold.756077/
    I think the answer by qwizoking explains a lot
    Last edited by BU2B; 07-19-2021, 09:23 PM.

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  • DeadlyFruit
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    Agree with bboy and catfish, using a vape device could be a good thing for you. I don’t want to say pen because that is usually synonymous with vaping cartridges of distillate whereas I vape regular herb in a portable vape device, which is also where you get your ABV. In my book (I am sure others have different and equally valid opinions) vaping cartridges feels a bit more like I am using something that came out of a lab vs vaping plain regular weed I grew myself. I just made cannabudder using my ABV(plus some trim although it was probably strong enough with just the ABV) - I like doing this as it feels like I am getting the most from my efforts. I am not a smoker either and I mainly use edibles for sleeping but my vape device is useful when I want a quick onset.

    If you want to know more about the alcohol washes feel free to either post some questions here or else ping one of us with a direct message. You might start by reading the articles on GWE as that is always a good place to start. I know they have articles on QWET, green dragon, tinctures, oils, hashmaking, etc.

  • Catfish22
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    As bboy suggested a vape pen could be a good choice for you. The added bonus is you save the vaped flower and use it to make caps or butter or whatever you please. It's referred to as ABV (for already been vaped) material. If you Google it you can find out more. I understand that Arizer, a company in Canada has a good reputation for a quality product.
    Happy farming! 🙂🌱

  • bboyfromwayback
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    You may want to look into a vape pen that uses dry flower if you want the quicker effect of smoking. It’s not my thing but a lot of people like them.

  • KKAlps
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    Thanks to all who replied, I am fairly new to this, so I don't know anything about the alcohol wash methods you mention. I mostly indulge to help with sleep, so the longer drawn out effect that edibles seem to have works well. Also I have never been a smoker, so I find the smoking part a little unpleasant, [not to mention the health aspect] but still the instant effect of smoking is handy sometimes. But maybe it is best to stick to the recipe and just eat more cookies if needed. Cheers.

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  • DeadlyFruit
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    Good point!

  • Catfish22
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    Wel it was also different preparers. One is a stoner with a column in HT.


    The other is an edibles for medicinal purposes chef.

    That's what I meant by semi-fairly, however it is the only test of it's kind I have ever seen.

    I bet big pharma can tell you precisely what the saturation limits are!

  • DeadlyFruit
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    Great article. I love the ones based on lab testing, although it is interesting to note that the person running the experiment received inconsistent results from different labs.

  • Catfish22
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    I found this. It is semi-fairly scientific, for stoners anyway. ✌😎

    https://hightimes.com/edibles/which-...-thc-best/?amp

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  • DeadlyFruit
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    Great information @grouchyoldmam you were exactly who I was going to tag this to when I saw the post.

    I read recently something on that point, saturation of oil. I wish I could remember where. I think it may have been in the comments section of a post by ichibancrafter on the extractcrafter site. He is very dialled in to oils and extracts, as you’d expect from the site, and the saturation point he mentioned (assuming I am remembering who made the comment correctly) was extremely high (no pun intended…mostly). With that said he admitted it was based on a logical assessment of the science and not actual lab testing and real results.

    I am just about to make my own post on my experience making gummies over the weekend and while I was at it I also made a batch of cannabudder (when the cat is away the mice are allowed to stink up the kitchen as the saying should go). I generally make butter from trim and ABV and I make oils (when I can make an oil worth talking about! 🙂) with trim and bud. Last night I loaded 3.5oz of relatively low temp vaped water cured ABV and 1.5oz of mixed trim and popcorn bud into 550grams of butter. You can get it really strong but the downside is with all of that pulp material there seems like an increased rate of waste - more butter stuck in the material that is difficult to squeeze out of hot pulp. I generally make it pretty strong but the reality is unless you have a high tolerance you will just use less of it at a time. When I make weed krispie squares with super strong butter I use a mix of normal and cannabutter rather than just straight cannabudder so it isn't essential to load up the butter to the saturation point (there are a few situations where a small amount of strong butter is useful - e.g. a person who prefers to take their weed by adding it to coffee but has a very high tolerance).

    There are a number of pretty good calculators that should help you with calculating how much snap is in in your butter if you do a search, but I would love to see a calculator that can calculate other things like trim and kief. I did find one that takes a stab at ABV, including water curing as a possible parameter.

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  • bboyfromwayback
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    Great post above. Grouchy gets technical with it but makes complete sense if you can follow. To keep it simple, if you’re growing quality flower, there’s no need to use more than 1oz per 2cups of whatever you’re making (butter, oil, ect) IMO. After that it’s just dosing amounts

    We had some friends over last night. I usually put 4g of butter in my coffee, 5g if I really want that deep stone. Yesterday evening at 6pm I put 5g in my mug, gave my buddy 6g because that’s the kinda friend I am plus I knew he wouldn’t mind one bit. Just got off the phone with him. He’s a tad hungover today 😂
    Last edited by bboyfromwayback; 07-18-2021, 06:53 PM.

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  • grouchyoldman
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    Hi PeterMatanzas, thx for an cogent description of the saturation question.

    Unfortunately it doesn't give us any guidance on a practical THC extraction limit. And lacking that, the question becomes how can we move towards an answer?

    So, I wondered what would be the best "experiments" to get a rough estimate of the saturation limits?

    Here's a couple of ideas:
    • Let's focus on using a QWET extraction since it simplifies both the process and the resultant tincture potency is fairly reliable.
    • Let's focus on ways to try and hit some "upper limit" of extraction saturation points.
    • If possible, let's leverage more cannabis delivery types (flower, hash, concentrates) for testing. (example below)
    I don't know if anyone would be interested in this project, but a cooperative effort towards answering an important question would make a great GWE Forum Thread....

    Anyways, rather than hijack this thread, how's about anyone interested in working on this as a group send me a PM grouchyoldman and we'll see where it goes.

    Oh, yeah, I promised an example of a useful experiment. Consider this: Yesterday I dissolved two grams of mediocre bubble hash in one ounce of everclear, QWET style, and produced about an ounce of mindf**k tincture! I'm guessing potency 45 mg/ml. So, there's a data point for ya.

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  • PeterMatanzas
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    Originally posted by KKAlps View Post
    you used 2 oz's, does that make the butter twice as potent? Does 3oz equals 3 times as potent ect?. Or is it a case of diminishing returns and the butter can only absorb so much THC/CBD?
    Generally, the amount of a chemical that can be dissolved in a solvent is limited. At some point the solution becomes saturated. Each ionic compound has its own solubility limit, which is the maximum amount of the compound that can remain in solution. I don't know what's the saturation point for dissolving cannabinoids in an oil, but there is a limit.

    All of the cannabinoids in 3 oz of flower may not be dissolved by butter fat. The butter may be saturated after 2 oz, or even one.

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  • oldjarhead100
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    wow well said

  • SoOrbudgal
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    Smoke a big fat greasy oily joint

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