Grafting Marijuana -Multiple Strains One Mother Plant

[Weasel]

Oh I think you could totally do that.
Probably a lot of this stuff has already been done. The cannabis world is a bunch of people in basements trying to invent the wheel. In case you haven't noticed

Hence this site...
I was thinking of training a plant in a circle and grafting a plant to itself to make a closed loop- a bunch of ideas like that just for fun.
I'm also very curious about the issue of genetics and how seeds would be affected by the genetic blending that supposedly takes place after grafting. I think I'll have to do some seeding with this plant.

[PigSquishy]

Well I will be looking forward to your results, it is only because of those who went ahead of us who want to try something new, who wanted to prove the impossible was possible that got us to the point we are at today. Every time I do an experiment I try to collect every idea as to what I think possible outcomes could be, carefully record and then research all of my results and try my best to walk away understanding a lot more afterwards than I did going into it...

Your doing it this way has also got me to seriously wondering if you couldn't root and graft a plant side by side together, where you clone it and graft it together, two different roots to the same plant... Your experiment has been loading me up all kinds of questions.

[Weasel]

Thanks Greenthumb. Yeah I'll update now and then. I'm just fooling around with this mostly. I have my reasons for doing it with this method which I mentioned earlier.
Good points. Hopefully you're wrong. All I can say so far is that the first graft of Malawi is growing happily and everything looks healthy, just like a regular plant so far.
Obviously I'm hoping that the scar tissue will continue to grow over and strengthen the graft area.
I'm not too worried about the strength issue. Given a few weeks I think it will be plenty strong, and in a couple months I think it's going to be a strong and gnarly tree trunk.
As for the nutrient uptake- I don't know. Like I said, it's all good so far and I see no reason why it would get worse in future, rather than better.
I understand the concept of lining up the stem tissues. They may be lined up a little better than you think as it's not really a side by side graft- or at least not as much as it looks.if you look at the photo you can maybe visualize that at least some of the tissues line up.
My second graft was cut about 80% of the way through the stem instead of halfway like the one shown. So it lines up a bit more.
I suppose we will find out.
I'll dissect the plant in about six months when I'm done - if I don't reveg it.

[PigSquishy]

WOW, I have to say you have truly helped me answer some of my questions, I am curious as to how the side to side will grow under long term stress of gravity. I say this because I have some trees that I kid you not every time the wind blows even the slightest bit will break branches off and I've got trees that can handle a 40+ mph and not break the first branch off. So I wonder how a side to side graft will handle the weight of the plant long term?I also question how fast a side to side graft will work for feeding as well, it is my understanding that a plant such as cannabis would have straw like passages running through it from the roots to the top of the plant, everything is in a straight line the "trunk" if you will, and then all the side branching off from the trunk of the stem. Then thinking how nutrients being higher or lower than the cell walls allow plants to soak up the nutrients it needs or pass them off if the plant has higher salts than the surrounding soil. Which brings me to the thought that perhaps you will run into a nutrient uptake issue on this graft because only one side of the branch will be getting direct access to the nutrients... and if that happens could it end up taxing the plant much like a injured leaf might when it hits a certain point, will the plant later kill this type of a graft if it begins taxing the plant if the branch can't get enough nutrients into it because of the side to side cut versus a bottom cut?

Would you please keep us updated on this or at least me... I am really curious as to how this will work out in time... I've also considered the possibility that in time the plant may grow around the end of the other stem to make a knob... Like how a tree will swallow up a fence or something that doesn't move as the tree grows.

[Weasel]

The graft after removing the ribbon. Cleaner than with pipe cleaners -though it looks like it's starting to fester a bit from lack of air.





I had one other graft happening during this time. Since my Mama Thai plant has been tied up and connected to this plant for the last ten days- I took the chance to try and graft another one of the Panama clones with her, as a backup.







This one worked out nicely.




- Here is the original graft. Pretty gnarly, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder . I had some ribbon wrapped on this part for the last week and I see that the protruding end of the Malawi stem, which was detached before, has started growing and bonding into the Panama stalk. Makes me think maybe you could maybe do a graft by just binding them together.







Alright here is the Panama/Malawi/Mama Thai.
I'm going to let her veg a while and flower her in a 15 gallon pot in a few months. I've got some pipe cleaners wrapped around the vulnerable spots for now. Had a bad experience ripping my hard won graft apart last year.

I might update at some point if anything groundbreaking happens. But I'll turn this thread over to whoever else wants to carry on with it. Thanks McRuderalis for the prod to go out and do it, and Komatchi for the knowledge.

[Weasel]

Alright I cut the third graft free today and it seems to have worked. Better than the first one actually since I took some of Komatchi's advice and wrapped the graft tightly this time. I don't have any grafting tape yet but used some plastic ribbon I found around.


Also some pipe cleaners- my most useful growroom tool.

About to remove the bandaid.

[slickdawg]

it's fun to play! lol hoping in the future i'll be doing something like that! just love the hole process of veg then the switch it's amazing i think!!!

[Weasel]

Yeah its surgery all right. I'm getting better at it. Helps a lot to put the initial work in and get the limbs lined up nicely and tied side by side without any pressure pulling them apart.
But yeah- especially since I already put a bunch of work into this plant doing the first graft on it. So if I kill it I'm killing two plants really, and wasting a lot of effort. Then I have to cut the stems of them almost completely through-then fit them together and hope for the best.
It's probably a weird way of doing it. Excited about the thought of the results though if this works.

[slickdawg]

that's got to be a tricky process!! looks cool!

[Weasel]

Photos are working again sort of.

Here is the Mama Thai graft- branch coming in from the right and poking out the top on the right side.
This time I wrapped it with some ribbon to hopefully make a slightly neater graft.
It was wilting a little last night but seems good today so I'm optimistic I'm going to realize my goal here of getting the three sativa plant going.

I'll clean everything up later on after the plant grows a little- and get rid of most of the crap that's tied around the stem right now.

I also started two other grafts. One in this same style with a Panama/Mama Thai, and another in the style Komatchi mentions- a Mama Thai base cutting with a Malawi cutting spliced on top- wrapped in electricians tape and stuck in the cloning area. Hasn't wilted as of 24 hours so that may work too.

[Weasel]

I make the CS myself. It's dead simple. Lots of tutorials online.

[Weasel]

I make seeds with CS fairly regularly.
I have my doubts about the toxicity of CS. I work with silver a lot in one of my jobs. Many people actually drink colloidal silver and it hasn't been known to have any ill effects that I know of. Silver is generally considered one of the few non-toxic metals.
Anyway- the way I usually make seeds these days is to use two tiny flowering clones- spray one until it hermies, then isolate it under a cfl. I take the other little flowering clone out to it for their romantic liaison, then bring the pollinated one back to the flowering room while throwing out the 'male'. If I put a clone cutting into the pot and straight into flowering as soon as it shows roots I end up with about an 8" plant. Perfect for making hundreds of seeds.
I've also done it by spraying a small branch of one larger plant but this is way it is much harder to contain the pollination later on. And this way you can throw away the whole treated plant and not have to worry about any possible concern of smoking any CS.

[PigSquishy]

I looked at making a plant hermie and then breeding it with itself, and it is my personal understanding that you can collect the pollen off such a plant and either use the pollen or even freeze it for an extended period of time, but you should not do anything more with that plant ever again. But the pollen is good, but it is my understanding you wouldn't want seeds or anything else from that plant because of the chemicals used to make it hermie.

[Weasel]

Yeah I saw that. I don't like that part as much. I never have to wear ID when I visit my 'curing vault'.
Definitely could be worse jobs though!

[dontknownuttin]

You can see the workers green card on a lanyard around his neck!. GOOD JOB!