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  • dilvish
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    Nope, money is no issue, NUTE... just pointing out that the majority of home growers ignore the safety aspect in favor of cost effective lighting. We've all heard of grow op fires and issues regarding electrical fires. Most people unfortunately assume these light panels are safe when in fact they can potentially fuck up your whole life and nobody is gonna give two craps if the source of the fire was some poorly constructed light fixture from China.

    Based on your tag at the bottom of your posts you also opted for power over safety...AGLEX brand LED panels have no safety certification. If it does, it is likely "CE" certification and it is a fake. I contacted AGLEX (aka Canadian Fine grow Lights) when I was in the market for my first LED panel and they never responded...I tried several attempts to get information from them on safety certification and they never got back to me or Amazon.
    Last edited by dilvish; 02-13-2020, 11:28 AM.

  • dilvish
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    My point about the PC was that if you run it in a warm/hot humid environment it will fail quicker. Most computers are run at room temp or colder.

  • dilvish
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    OBI-WAN your comment is valid but did you know that almost all of these LED manufacturers have the same warranty? That warranty specifies either you ship it to them to fix or you fix it yourself with parts they supply for free. This is one reason I don't look at warranties because most of them have some sort of loophole in the manufacturers favor. I never said ViparSpectra was superior just that they appear to be the only ones who have at least some models that are safety certified by government recognized testing facilities.

  • Nute
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    Originally posted by dilvish View Post

    Unfortunately many of the manufacturers sell direct from their websites so there is nobody to check them. Additionally, Amazon worldwide does not test or audit compliance with their "Marketplace seller's agreement" in which states anything that plugs into an electrical outlet must have one of the 3 main safety certifications (UL, CSA and ETL a.k.a. Intertek) in accordance with government safety regulations.

    Go look through a Home Depot or Lowe's in North America. Good luck trying to find any electrical item that plugs in that doesn't carry one of these safety certifications. Think about it. if the light panels are becoming more and more popular why don't these big box stores carry them? They could make a serious profit in states/provinces where growing is perfectly legal. They don't care what people use them for but since almost all of them are not properly certified, they don't sell them for liability reasons.

    As far as many of these manufacturers are concerned, it's buyer beware. They could easily argue in the case of electrical issue/fire that the light was used in an illegal setting or if legal, that it must have been exposed to too much heat or humidity in the "legal" grow. They are also willing to replace the light if it fails or causes damage but only the light gets replaced...any other damage they won't compensate for.

    In my opinion it is better to be safe than sorry. When you are running these lights a minimum 12 hours a day to a maximum of 24 hours per day for months at a time, wouldn't you feel better knowing they were safety tested the same way?.

    Think of it this way...like a desktop computer in a hot humid environment running at least 12 hours everyday...the thing will fail because the computer will overheat regardless of the fan and heatsink inside the tower case and the fan blowing on the outside (which just blows the hot air around).
    It sounds like someone paid too much for a light fixture and they need to justify its cost

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  • FunkyButtLovin
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    Don't forget your sunglasses!

  • Obi-Wan
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    So I should just by another 600w Viparspectra because they’re safety certified? Never mind my current Viparspectra 600w is sitting on a shelf because the bloom switch doesn’t operate. I tried talking to Viparspectra to get it fixed, they wanted me to pay to ship it to China or replace the driver myself. Well, the shipping to China was gonna cost $50 which was a 1/3 of the cost of the light brand new and if I replaced the driver myself the warranty would have voided. Not to mention that safety certificate becomes toilet paper once I open the fixture up. Viparspectra is no better than the other Chinese companies, they just happened to get a few fixtures to pass the test.

    It seems odd to me that with all the different models they sell, only a few are certified, same boards, same fans, same drivers. Each successive model is just a stacked version of it’s lower wattage counterpart. A 600w model is just the components of 2-300w models in a different case. I would think if one passed they all would, or maybe they just got lucky on a few?

    My 400 watt HID fixture is UL certified, but that doesn’t eliminate the risks of using an HID fixture. Certified electrical fixtures are associated with electrical fires all the time, in most cases the fixture fails when it’s being used or fed in a manner that is unsafe.

  • Farmall
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    Nice to see a fresh room getting prepared...good luck

  • Rwise
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    Comparing to PCs is a bad choice as I worked at TVG building servers for their scrolling channel. Many sat in the field and ran 24/7 for more than 5 years. Of course there were those that failed before that, or did not survive shipping. Those that ran for all that time were full of dust, and the fans were dead for who knows how long, the batteries were all leaking, etc..
    I try to NOT but from Amazon,,, I can beat their price most of the time anyway.
    Here the market is to to young for these big box stores, like, OMG we are not going to carry pot growing supplies! Give them time to get on board. I did buy it at a local supply called "Skunk Grow" IDK if they are a chain or not,,,
    I too am concerned with safety, so I will keep an eye on it, I am almost always here, and its off when I am asleep,,,

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  • dilvish
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    Originally posted by Rwise View Post
    Ask me in a year how I like this LED. What I can tell you at this point is I have 90 days to return it to the local dealer for a full refund or replacement. 3 years warranty on it and the local dealer deals with Mars Hydro not me. So far the girls say they like the improvement.
    IF they are truly NOT certified, why are they being sold here?
    And what about all the knock off co's? There are several shops in Tulsa making and selling LED panels.
    Unfortunately many of the manufacturers sell direct from their websites so there is nobody to check them. Additionally, Amazon worldwide does not test or audit compliance with their "Marketplace seller's agreement" in which states anything that plugs into an electrical outlet must have one of the 3 main safety certifications (UL, CSA and ETL a.k.a. Intertek) in accordance with government safety regulations.

    Go look through a Home Depot or Lowe's in North America. Good luck trying to find any electrical item that plugs in that doesn't carry one of these safety certifications. Think about it. if the light panels are becoming more and more popular why don't these big box stores carry them? They could make a serious profit in states/provinces where growing is perfectly legal. They don't care what people use them for but since almost all of them are not properly certified, they don't sell them for liability reasons.

    As far as many of these manufacturers are concerned, it's buyer beware. They could easily argue in the case of electrical issue/fire that the light was used in an illegal setting or if legal, that it must have been exposed to too much heat or humidity in the "legal" grow. They are also willing to replace the light if it fails or causes damage but only the light gets replaced...any other damage they won't compensate for.

    In my opinion it is better to be safe than sorry. When you are running these lights a minimum 12 hours a day to a maximum of 24 hours per day for months at a time, wouldn't you feel better knowing they were safety tested the same way?.

    Think of it this way...like a desktop computer in a hot humid environment running at least 12 hours everyday...the thing will fail because the computer will overheat regardless of the fan and heatsink inside the tower case and the fan blowing on the outside (which just blows the hot air around).

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  • Rwise
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    Ask me in a year how I like this LED. What I can tell you at this point is I have 90 days to return it to the local dealer for a full refund or replacement. 3 years warranty on it and the local dealer deals with Mars Hydro not me. So far the girls say they like the improvement.
    IF they are truly NOT certified, why are they being sold here?
    And what about all the knock off co's? There are several shops in Tulsa making and selling LED panels.

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  • dilvish
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    Mars Hydro users may have a decent light but when I was looking for a decent light panel I sent MarsHydro several emails asking for their safety certification information. They state on their website that the lights are CE, ROHS ETL and UL. They refused to provided anything other than that statement.

    If they were in fact safety certified, they would need only one certification, not 3. The fact that they refuse to provide certification registration numbers (you can look these numbers up online for verification) speaks volumes. They, like many Chinese manufacturers, are faking all of their certifications in order to sell more product.

    I find it laughable that people believe them when their light panel arrives and the only marks on the unit are a faked CE certification and the ROHS stamp. The CE certification is like self certifying and anyone in the world can do that. The ROHS certification just means it supposedly doesn't contain any hazardous material!!! I sure fuckin hope it doesn't!!! this is why electrical items that have passed federal or state/provincial certification don't include the ROHS. As far as I am aware the only common electrical item that contains hazardous material is a smoke alarm which you will likely need when the light shorts out or worse...

    People may swear by their lights and I'm not saying they or any other manufacturer make a poor product. What I am saying is if you are going to spend the money, spend it on something that has been properly safety tested and certified like select models of ViparSpectra. There may be others but for the price and type of panels they offer it's worth it in my opinion.

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  • Rwise
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    My thought is we will get great buds under them, and it is an improvement over what I had,,, and by the time these were out there will be far better lights out for about the same money.

  • Rwise
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    I do watch the temp and humidity, I am not in a tent but under a stair case. I pulled the back out of the top step and the draft is good without an exhaust fan, for now. I was not expecting the temp drop but I'll take it! Maybe I should have with cutting the power in half,,,

  • Guest
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    Is your fan completely off when not outside the temp/hum limits? I want my fan to have a low idle speed so the fan will always be on. The only ones I can find are commercial and $200-300. I looked at the inkbirds but can’t find one that does that.

  • C420grow
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    Work in progress! Got the Mars TSW 2000 don’t plan on flowering whole area at once. So I think the Mars light is the way to go. Thank you all

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